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Ed, So what kind of diving do you do? Cave, wreck, recreational, other? What training have you received to do the type of diving you do? Where did you get your facts about DIR divers dying? What has your post taught me or is it just a flame? No flames please... Roy > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Street [mailto:blacknet@ph*.ne*] > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:09 AM > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: DIR setup > > > Hello, > > I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have > came to the > conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very > dangerous layout for several reasons. > > a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known > today. Like how > many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the > u.s. and don't > give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. > the total > number of facilities that teaches other theories? > > b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who > doesn't follow > them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices. > It's like someone > who has a different idea or theory is instantly > hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their > own thoughts or > ideas about things. One way of looking at this is evolution > didn't just > happen, it was a slow gradual step by step and update by > update over a long > period of time. What changes/update/revisions has the DIR > system undergone? > > c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout. Why is > this? Is it > because that it's not that good? Is it because that there's > to many people > turns up DEAD? Is it because of the above and below statements? From > talking to many shops about it and a lot of divers about this > subject I > gather that if your looking for machoism, egotistical and the > like then DIR > is for you. Scuba equipment is just that, equipment. It's a > tool someone > uses to achieve a desired means. You don't use a screw > driver to turn a > lug-nut. So why should I use the DIR setup in all cases? My > theory is it's > just ONE of the many tools out there that can be used but > isn't useful in > some cases. If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then > why are they > still being produced? Why are they no regulations to remove > the bad crap > and put the good crap in place? I seem to recall this being > done with some > tanks recently. > > D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers? > It's like if you > don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a > 'stroke'? So what > about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup? > Does that mean > since they never surfaced they are a 'stroke'? It's like the > standards are > so high that it's very very difficult for anyone to maintain > at all times > but yet expect everyone to maintain them at all times. This > makes no sense. > Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes > mistakes all the > time. The higher the standards the more mistakes will be > made. Sadly when > these mistakes ARE made it cost the person their life. Now in the > recreational community when these mistakes are made alot of > the time the > person will survive (depending on a lot of things) This leads > to another > thing. If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there few and > far between in > some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you expected > to do the buddy > system? Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up > even more of > not coming up alive? > > E) I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup > was just totally > wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles. They felt > that it was > out of place and very hard to adjust to it. I thought diving > was all about > the comfort layer that the individual person felt. How is it > that we can > dictate how others must dress and what equipment they must > use when it's > what WE use that counts the most? An example, if diver A > feels that the > layout they are using is not right gets in the water then > they are at a > higher risk of problems. Not just equipment problems but > physical and more > importantly psychological. So say everyone uses the dir setup > and one person > in the group doesn't feel right with the layout but they are > putting blind > faith in the layout (I see this a lot) and some problem > arises, who do you > think you can least trust? Say they kept their mouth shut > and you don't > even know about their view on this, who then can you trust? > If you put your > trust in them they could end up killing you. All because > people are putting > peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, which > in my opinion > is totally WRONG. > > F) It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if > you wanted an > idea to flourish then you would cut out all the > negativity/hostility that is > generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have > compassion, > understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to > why it's a > 'superior' method. This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers > health. There is *NOTHING* under that water that's worth > your life and to > me it would seem that diving with any machoistic > setup/equipment/person > would just endanger my life. See where this is going? > > g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try > to imitate what > some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like > caves, and later > the morgue is called. The reason they die is the diver feels > that they can > handle the task, they see the machoism from these groups and > one of the > traditional machoistic viewpoints is "you don't ask for help > cause you can > do it" so they do do it and they die because of it. My input > here is get > rid of the machoistic front and you'll get alot MORE divers doing your > style. > > You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor > stop the fact > that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my > standards are > to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident > waiting to happen > to good people. It tends to lead people astray and promote a > psychological > separation from one's well being and the image that one presents. > > Oh and btw, no flames please. These are my viewpoints and if > you do feel > you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach > feeling threatened. Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and > uncertainty on > the flamers part. > > Ed > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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