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"N.S. (Norm) Nopper" wrote: > Well, I want to thank you all for not inundating me with flames for > my recent post quoting Jim Cobb. One person asked if the intent of > my post was to troll. No, I was in earnest. It is not often that I > post to this group, because I am really not an impulsive person. But > I did take Mr. Cobb's statement at face value, and was infuriated by > it. But we have cleared up that misunderstanding; I have made my > apologies to the man; I trust that he has accepted; and as far as I > am concerned, that matter is over. Cobber ain't a bad bloke at all when you get to know him. When I first "met" him I thought as you do and, now, stuff I've written is even on his website. > But, allow me to address another issue: > To be honest, it's becoming harder and harder to tell the difference > between straight up information and spoof on this list. (snip) Actually the longer you are here, the easier it becomes. > The same with re-breather training. My understanding of the > technology is that, if the CO2 scrubbers stop working, well, you > die. (snip) By now you've, no doubt, read Trey's very informative (warts and all) post on this. > Another example was that great picture of the fellow rigged up with > about 8 tanks on his back. (I'm sorry, I dont't remember his name. Garry Maffatone (sp?)? Another convoluted idiocy that met its match/maker. > I am a rec diver. I joined tech diver because you are the people in > the fore - front of diving. I look to you and your experiences for > Leadership - to draw lessons to make my diving, and the diving of > all rec divers safer. And I have to believe that I am not the only > one lurking on this group for that reason. OK. Ignoring the fact that I do not consider myself remotely in the same league as the Treys of this world. > Recently, one fellow posted a message that, after 2 weeks of reading > this list, he was leaving in disgust. A few of you jumped all over > him. Well, if you entered a room full of bickering, shouting, > arguing people, would you stick around? And he was the only one > willing to actually speak up and tell us his reason for leaving. I > am sure that thousands have quietly joined and left this group for > precisely the same reason. Laddie, if you think that this list is poisonous today, you'd (pardon me) wet yourself if you'd been here, say, three years ago. Believe me. > Why am I still subscribing to tech diver? Because I have learned. INDEED!!! Snip. > But here are some words of advice that I would like to offer to you, > the Leaders and Teachers on this group. And that includes anyone who > is an experienced tech diver: > > There are people on this list, who do not have your experience, who > are listening to you. When you post, you need to consider that they > are also part of your audience. They too may take your remarks at > face value. > > You never know who else might be reading this list. That's a hard one. This list takes no prisoners, as you have also learned. Me, I'm usually pretty damn polite, maybe that's in my nature, dunno, certainly I don't "flame". Recently I even "translated" one of Trey's posts into, shall we say, somewhat more conventional language which even seemed to be accepted. I live to tell you that I SWEATED on what reaction I would get, yet the list can be surprisingly benign sometimes. It probably depends on how sensible your post is. > Misunderstandings happen - as happened with me. There may be certain > authorities (i.e., police or regulatory people) who may be reading > too. They may not be amused by the humour and irony of some of the > posts. I don't think that we want to draw the interest of any > Regulatory bodies. Uhhh, with the greatest of respect, that observation is bullshit for any number of reasons including the fact that such an esoteric, arcane list is not exactly Numero Uno as of interest to the people you have alluded to. > Focus on the positive aspects of you message. Don't automatically > launch into personal attacks upon the people with whom you disagree. (snip) Norm, not having been here for any length of time does not really qualify you to provide such advice. Note, I say _qualify_. You do not have the experience (of this list) to provide such advice. This is because largely, very largely, the petulant whingeings of the newcomers who know no better and haven't bothered to consult the archives before wearing out their fingertips on their keyboards in "righteous indignation" have been heard, and dealt with, countless times such that most who do the hearing and dealing are heartily sick of it. Repetition DOES get to be thoroughly boring. Yes there are some here who get seriously criticised time and again. This has, however, been happening, consistently, with perhaps increasing venom, for considerably more time than the odd few weeks you might have been here. I suggest that these people simply do not learn, probably/maybe do not want to learn, the hard lessons in diving that have been presented to them time and again. No wonder that the people doing the criticising are getting frustrated. > Well, thank you for indulgence. And to all those who have grown > weary of my posts, I now return to my lurker status. I was initially going to send this to you privately, but then decided that perhaps (some of) the rest of the lurkers/newcomers might be interested in my perspective to your post. Cheers, Christian -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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