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Not heliox, Nitrox 50/50. Art. -----Original Message----- From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:37 AM To: Paltz, Art; mhkane@pr*.ne*; cobber@ci*.co*; TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*; FLTechDiver@mikey.net; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Re: accident 50/50 ? Heliox deco for a 5 min. run time? -----Original Message----- From: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* To: mhkane@pr*.ne*, cobber@ci*.co*, TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*, FLTechDiver@mikey.net, techdiver@aquanaut.com Date: Mon Jul 02 16:52:54 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: accident >You know, that's a really good point. I just ran a 5 minute dive to 300 >using an 8/60 mix as stated in the original post using Decom and I only come >up with a total dive time of 43 minutes using 50/50 and O2 for mix. I don't >know the first thing about creating a table for a CCR but I'd imagine with a >constant Po2 where you can crank it higher for deco, the deco time would be >even less than the 43 minutes I calculated. Isn't one of the big benefits >to using a CCR the ability to have a constant Po2f for deco? > >Although I have never done a dive to 300 foot I would probably have used 3 >gasses so just for ha, ha's I re-ran it using 32, 50/50 and O2. Total dive >time...... 37 minutes. > >When I cranked the conservative for the helium partial pressure up to 15% >and the nitrogen partial pressure up to 5% (the very conservative default >setting of Decom 6.61) I come up with a total run time of 59 minutes using >really deep stops!! Take out the really deep stops Decom calculated >starting at 170 foot and the run time on conservative settings is again 43 >minutes! Built into the 59 minute run time is an ascent rate of 30 foot/min >as well as the 5 minutes of bottom time. Bottom time and ascent rate to >first deep deco stop is about 10 minutes so the total deco time is really >only 49 minutes at a very conservative setting. > >Seriously, what table program would have calculated 60 minutes of deco, let >alone 60 minutes from the 60 foot to the surface.? A serious question, not >a flame.... > >Hope this makes sense cause I'm typing fast! > >Art. > > -----Original Message----- >From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*] >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:13 PM >To: Jim Cobb; Tom Mount; FLTechDiver@mikey.net; Tech Diver >Subject: Re: accident > >Tom, > >Does a 5 minute bounce dive to 300' really require 60 minutes additional >deco by the time they got to 60'??? > >Wouldn't knowing gradients and deco curves gone a long way to avoiding the >60 minutes from 60'??? Furthermore, why not follow him up, help solve the >damn problem and then the both of them get their asses back down and do some >deco?? > >But the real problem that isn't being addressed is why do a 300' dive >without a support team in the first place???? > >Tom, I'm curious to your position with respect to support diver's role in >the instant case.. Is it your position that a support team couldn't have >worked out the problem and then Claudia wouldn't have had to face the >decision to surface??? > >Furthermore, I'm not convinced it was a drysuit problem at all, from what I >can tell it sounds like hypoxia to me and a support diver with proper >bailout bottles solves the problem... > >What are your views????? > >Later >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> >To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>; "Tech >Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:06 AM >Subject: Re: accident > > >Tom, I've never professed to be a "high powered" diver, you are the one who >puts ads in magazines extolling your "thousands" of dives. I'm just an >average shmo who goes out on an occasional weekend with my buddies. > >On your question of whether I would omit 60 mins of deco, the answer is >"No". This is a pretty stupid question, what is your point? > >What strikes me about this report is that the other diver seemed to have >just sat there and observed while her buddy was having all sorts of >problems. Dealing with a drysuit should be second nature, even to a relative >neophyte like me. There are many ways to get air out of a drysuit, up to and >including cutting it open with your knife. > >It appears that the deceased IANTD instrokter had been abandoned by his >buddy during the dive and on the surface where it would have made much more >sense to do IWR than sit for what must of been a couple of hours waiting for >an ambulance. My ass sure as hell would have been back in the water. > >This whole thing seems fishy to me. How can a super-de-duper IANTD >instrokter not be able to deal with a drysuit issue? Why was his buddy not >able to, either? You emphasise over and over that the rebreathers were >working properly but as anybody can see neither diver was working properly >or were not all together there to begin with. > >Another thing is fishy. why was he breathing all these open circuit bottles >dry on the surface? Why was he not using his rebreather, which would have >given him hours and hours at near 100%. Why did he not go down to 20' with >his buddy for a IWR which would have saved his life? > >If I were the ME on this case I would turn it over to the police. It appears >to me that both rebreathers were malfunctioning and that both divers were >not able to handle a simple buoyancy problem. > >I have a feeling that there are a lot of divers on this list who can see the >disparity going on here and you can quote your nonsensical IANTD mantras all >day long and it won't help. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > >> From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> >> Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> >> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:16:32 -0400 >> To: <cobber@ci*.co*>, <FLTechDiver@mikey.net> >> Subject: Re: accident >> >> As you understand it it is as usual wrong IANTD does not teach abandon >your >> buddy. >> >> In our standards it states >> >> ยท On any occasion a student requires assistance, the instructor and any >dive >> master or dive supervisor will make every reasonable effort to assist or >> rescue the student. The instructor will be expected to continue an assist >or >> rescue attempt until it is either successful or it becomes apparent that >to >> continue will result in unreasonably endangering the rescuers life or >> endanger other students or members of the dive team. >> >> You can take that anyway you wish, >> >> Also Claudia did ascend quite a way with Garrett before letting him go >up.. >> It is highly likely that had she surfaced and worked with him she also >would >> have been in a critical state of DCS . If you read the literature those >who >> experience explosive DCS do not fare well. So it was her logical decision >> not to go all the way to the surface. >> >> I think decisions of this sort have to be made by an individual as there >is >> no way to make a standard as to the risk of death or injury and individual >> must make. It is all due to the situation at he time. >> >> Jim as you are such a high powered diver would you omit one hour of deco >> from the 60 foot stop and go to the surface? a simple yes or no will >suffice >> >> tom >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*> >> To: <cobber@ci*.co*>; <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; >> <FLTechDiver@mikey.net> >> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:57 AM >> Subject: Re: accident >> >> >>> Jim & Tom- >>> It appears as if I have been accidentally cc'ed into this thread. Please >>> omit my e-mail address from further e-mail discussion on this topic. >>> Many thanks, >>> Mike >>> >>> >>>> From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >>>> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>, Michael Barnette >>>> <aocfishman@ho*.co*>, <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>, Tech Diver >>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>> Subject: Re: accident >>>> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 21:41:13 -0400 >>>> >>>> I am confused about the part when is the best time to abandon your >buddy. >>>> Tom, as I understand it you teach buddy abandonment in IANTD classes, as >> it >>>> is better for one person to die than for both. Personally I think it >> would >>>> be better to teach something more along the lines of its best for nobody >> to >>>> die in the first place, but I know that's totally unrealistic of me. >> After >>>> all this is technical diving and people are supposed to die now and >then. >>>> >>>> Anyway, Did this buddy team do proper prior planning and decided that if >>>> one >>>> or the other drops into a hypoxic delusional state that the buddy then >>>> assumes the other is a gonner and gets the hell out of the way? Or did >> the >>>> situation call for abandonment for drysuit problems stemming from >hypoxia >>>> induced hallucinations? What is the IANTD official abandonment plan for >>>> this >>>> situation with rebreathers or drysuits? Or in this situation with a >known >>>> problematic rebreather and drysuit is the abandonment plan based on a >>>> combination of the two? >>>> >>>> I also notice that the abandonment plan continued on the surface. I >don't >>>> understand why IWR was not practiced even though they had several hours >> to >>>> think the problem over. >>>> >>>> Please discuss the IANDT every man for himself policy and if it's just >> for >>>> underwater or really does extend to the surface. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >>>> >>>>> From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> >>>>> Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> >>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:54:51 -0400 >>>>> To: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*>, >> <FLTechDiver@mikey.net> >>>>> Subject: accident >>>>> >>>>> Accident Report in Regard to Garrets Death >>>>> This is one of the rare times we have a detailed accident report to >>>> review: >>>>> Saturday June 23, 19:05, Garrett and Claudia started a dive to 300 >> feet >>>> at >>>>> Mukilteo, WA. The dive included a swim of 15 minutes down a gradual >>>> slope to >>>>> the planned 300-foot depth where 5 minutes were spent. The dive was >>>> planned >>>>> with software dive tables. Both knew the dive site very well. >>>>> Both were diving their inspiration units that had passed all pre-dive >>>>> checks. Onboard tanks were full (8/60 and O2), scrubber fresh (see >>>> below). >>>>> Also, they were carrying an Al80 (10/50) and an Al40 (O2) as bailout >>>> each, >>>>> equipped with inflator hoses, gauges, and second stage. >>>>>> From descent to ascent, including the deep stops, everything went >>>> smoothly >>>>> like usual. >>>>> After leaving the 100 ft stop to 60 feet (20 ft/min) Garrett started >> to >>>>> display he was having a problem. >>>>> The Inspiration was functioning correctly and there were no PO2 >>>> problems, >>>>> nor other CCR related problems. The after-market ADV was disengaged as >>>> it >>>>> always was on ascent. No alarms, no malfunctions were taking place. >>>>> Claudia: Starting at 100 feet, he was suddenly behind me, not next to >> me >>>> or >>>>> slightly in front. I looked back and saw him getting rid of occasional >>>> water >>>>> in the breathing hose (normal, although he usually did not do it on >>>> ascent, >>>>> rather at the stop). He seemed to be struggling slightly with >>>> 'something'. >>>>> (When someone had problems of any kind, they would stop and the buddy >>>> would >>>>> stop as well. In this case, although slightly slower, Garrett did not >>>> stop, >>>>> and no other communication indicated a serious problem, yet.) >>>>> Claudia: Then, arrived at the 60 ft stop, the communication was >> strange >>>> to >>>>> non-existent. All I understood, other than that he was getting in more >>>> and >>>>> more distress, was that his dry suit was not as quickly deflated. He >>>> showed >>>>> me that with opening the wrist seal slightly and bubbles coming out. >>>> Because >>>>> of the warm neck hood, it's very hard to open the neck seal that way, >>>> and >>>>> Garrett chose not to. " >>>>> Garrett presented more problems with buoyancy and a look of distress, >>>> and >>>>> surprise. After we had spent some time trying to stop the ascent by >>>>> releasing gas and swimming down - I could not get to the dry suit >>>> inflator >>>>> to detach it (although nothing indicated a runaway inflator) and >> worked >>>> on >>>>> the BC inflator - Garrett stopped kicking and continued to the >> surface. >>>> He >>>>> was just floating up, looking down to me. That look said that he knew >>>> what >>>>> was going to happen, and I did too." >>>>> (The longest deco in my life (60 minutes according to tables), on top >> a >>>>> stomach barotrauma that made breathing very hard.) >>>>> Comment: This is what we actually talked about with Leon yesterday >>>>> afternoon: Gary never really liked his deflator that does not have a >>>> rest >>>>> when fully opened, and together with the undergarment, it seemed >>>> difficult >>>>> to release the Argon in a timely manner. However, I have never seen >> him >>>>> having problems before. >>>>> >>>>> According to a person at the surface that came to help, Garrett went >> to >>>> the >>>>> boat ramp and climbed out of the water. He then collapsed on the boat >>>> ramp, >>>>> and the guy pulled him from the ramp up. >>>>> >>>>> Garrett said something about his dry suit to this person. He had him >>>> call >>>>> 911, told him about his buddy doing deco and to take care of her, and >>>> had >>>>> him help set up everything to breathe O2 until the ambulance would >>>> arrive. >>>>> He breathed oxygen until his onboard O2 was empty, and his stage / >>>> bailout >>>>> O2 to 1700 psi by the time the ambulance arrived to pick him up. >>>>> (Throughout the dive an ordeal. There was no alarm or even 'sanity >>>> break' at >>>>> any time. The scrubber was okay. Mine was new, his had 54 minutes on >>>> prior >>>>> to the dive.) >>>>> (Tom's comment) I think it is important that he made a conscious >>>> decision >>>>> not to descend back to his stop in the water and Garrett was fully >> aware >>>> of >>>>> the problems with an explosive decompression, so it would lead one to >>>> think >>>>> other factors many be involved. He also had adequate OC gas to do a >> deco >>>>> procedure, had OC gas been needed. >>>>> Claudia: We had talked about situations like that before and had he >> been >>>>> able to, he would have resumed his deco after fixing whatever problem >> he >>>>> had. I did not like the idea of leaving him alone when we discussed >> it, >>>> but >>>>> understand that otherwise we both would have been killed, and he never >>>>> wanted that to happen. In a similar situation, knowing that we were >>>> close to >>>>> the boat ramp on a Saturday evening with many people around, I would >>>> have >>>>> expected for him to stay down as well. A hard decision I never wanted >> to >>>>> have to make. >>>>> At the hospital where he also commented about his dry suit and then >> fell >>>>> unconscious after 5 minutes, due to his condition (good ECG at first, >>>> but a >>>>> drop to 40 over 20) he was treated for a heart attack (while explosive >>>> DSC >>>>> is life threatening, it was secondary to the seriousness of the heart >>>> attack >>>>> in the judgment of the attending physicians, and it is difficult if >> not >>>>> impossible to fully address the heart condition while in a chamber) >> for >>>> 5 >>>>> hours prior to being placed in the chamber. 20 minutes into the >> chamber >>>>> treatment Garrett arrested and died. >>>>> Tom: Garrett was a really good friend and his loss saddens me greatly. >>>> He >>>>> had a tremendous amount of time on the inspiration (460 hours plus) >> and >>>> was >>>>> the most active instructor we have had on the west coast. And maybe >> the >>>> most >>>>> active inspiration instructor in the USA. We have shared many dives, >>>> deep >>>>> dives and recently he and Claudia went on a Blue Hole trip with >> several >>>>> others and myself. He was extremely competent and safety orientated. >> In >>>> fact >>>>> during a training program when he was doing his IT and Martin was >> doing >>>> his >>>>> instructors and Vicki her diver rating on the inspiration we hammered >>>> out >>>>> sequencing. On the skills that are now taught in the IANTD Inspiration >>>>> course. So he has contributed very much to our training programs and >> to >>>>> rebreather diving safety overall. >>>>> >>>>> Patti, IANTD and I wish for Garrett the happiest after life possible >> and >>>>> know his energy will always be with those he cared for. >>>>> >>>>>> From everything from observations to the medical reaction and >> diagnosis >>>> at >>>>> he hospital it would have lead one to accept that Garrett had a heart >>>>> attack. >>>>> >>>>> True without the complication of an explosive decompression he may >> have >>>> had >>>>> a higher probability of surviving. >>>>> >>>>> BUT after his body was reviewed by the ME the following was found >>>>> >>>>> Claudia: According to the examiner, no enzymes could be built within >> the >>>>> time frame of 5-6 'alive' hours that would let trace a heart attack, >> and >>>>> they were not found. The final report may be shared with me in about >> 6-8 >>>>> weeks. This morning, two friends of ours, and students of Garrett's, >> Ken >>>>> Rymal and Dave Hancock, and I were explaining the gear to the >> examiners >>>> to >>>>> shed some light for them on the subject. We tested the unit in front >> of >>>>> them, and everything worked properly. >>>>> >>>>> Garrett and I were to get married 5 July, and had many good plans for >>>>> training and service, and just going diving all over the place. After >>>>> talking to Leon that afternoon, we produced even more ideas while >>>> driving >>>>> from the lunch place up North to Mukilteo. Except for the harsh and >>>> unfair >>>>> end, it was one of, of not the happiest weekend we had ever spent. >>>>> >>>>> Tom: questions that remain: >>>>> 1. What caused Garret to make the decision not to solve the problem in >>>> water >>>>> (maybe due to physiological stress if fact he was having a physical >>>> problem >>>>> as thought by the doctors ) >>>>> 2. Why once on the surface he elected not to return to the stops after >>>>> dealing with any other problems (again suggesting there was something >>>> else >>>>> taking place) >>>>> 3. Why was he not put in the chamber earlier, (as stated by the >>>> attending >>>>> Doctor a heart attack but according to the ME no evidence of a heart >>>> attack >>>>> >>>>> So we may or may not discover the answers to these as well as what if >>>> any >>>>> role a problem with the dry suit may or may not have had on this >>>> accident. >>>>> >>>>> We do know it was not CCR related. And it appears that there was a >>>>> physiological problem taking place that influenced Garrett to allow >>>> himself >>>>> to go to the surface and to elect not to return to decompression. >>>>> It is sad that he was not placed in the chamber immediately as that >>>> would >>>>> have definitely increased the probability of his survival of the >>>>> decompression issue. But the attending doctors (s) had to make a >>>> decision >>>>> based on what they perceived to be most life threatening. >>>>> >>>>> So we are still left with many questions >>>>> >>>>> We do know Garrett was extremely competent as a diver and highly >>>> experienced >>>>> on the inspiration >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully >>>>> Claudia Milz and Tom Mount >>>>>> From Leon Scamahorn >>>>> I am at a loss. Garrett, Claudia, and I had just finished having >> lunch >>>> and >>>>> talking about the Meg. I was looking forward to working with Garrett >> and >>>>> diving with him and Claudia. >>>>> >>>>> I wish everyone to know that I believe Garrett was a fine instructor >> and >>>>> probably the best one and diver in the country on the Inspiration. I >>>> will >>>>> feel his loss, and I think that we all will feel his loss in the >> diving >>>>> industry. He has been a positive influence to all those that >> understood >>>> him. >>>>> >>>>> Claudia, you have my best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Leon Scamahorn >>>>> CEO Innerspace Systems Corp. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*> >>>>> To: <FLTechDiver@mikey.net> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:04 PM >>>>> Subject: Update on Florida job announcement >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I thought this might be of interest to the list... >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> Association of Underwater Explorers >>>>>> http://www.mikey.net/aue >>>>>> >>>>>>> Important Update on Underwater Archaeology Employment Opportunity >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Florida Department of State position for an Archaeological Field >>>>>>> Supervisor within the Bureau of Archaeological Research that was >>>>> advertised >>>>>>> on 5/30/01 has been changed to Archaeological Field Assistant. Due >> to >>>>>>> recent >>>>>>> personnel changes and a clarification of policy, the Bureau of Human >>>>>>> Resources decided to delete the Supervisor position and add the >>>> Assistant >>>>>>> position. Nonetheless, the starting salary will remain the same as >>>> the >>>>>>> Supervisor position ($22,045.68). The new Assistant position is now >>>>> being >>>>>>> officially advertised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This career service position with full benefits represents a rare >>>>>>> opportunity in Florida for a trained individual who seeks government >>>>>>> service >>>>>>> employment to pursue investigation, assessment, and documentation of >>>>>>> submerged cultural resources for the public benefit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Important Note: Those individuals who already have submitted >>>>> applications >>>>>>> for the now-defunct Supervisor position will automatically be >>>> considered >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the Assistant position. The applications have been retained for >>>>>>> consideration, and one need not apply again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those individuals who have not yet made application, there is an >>>> open >>>>>>> period of 14 days (June 25 through July 9) during which applications >>>> are >>>>>>> being accepted. Interested applicants should fill out a State of >>>> Florida >>>>>>> employment application and send it to the address below as soon as >>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bureau of Human Resources >>>>>>> Florida Department of State >>>>>>> 107 W. Gaines Street, Room 266 >>>>>>> Collins Building >>>>>>> Tallahassee, FL 32399-0250 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Applications must be received by 5 p.m. on July 9th, 2001. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The official announcement can be viewed at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >http://www.myflorida.com/oraweb/owa/www_cv.jobvac.detail?pvac_key=1042&preg >>>>> i >>>>>>> on=W >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The position announcement also will be posted on the Bureau's web >> site >>>>> at: >>>>>>> http://www.dos.state.fl.us/dhr/bar/jobs.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This posting outlines (a) a description of the position, (b) minimum >>>>>>> qualifications (c) preferred applicant qualifications, and (d) how >> to >>>>>>> obtain a State of Florida employment application by mail or from the >>>>>>> Internet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (a) Job Description for Archaeological Field Supervisor >>>>>>> The incumbent is to assist in the management of state-wide submerged >>>>>>> cultural resources. The incumbent will perform a range of functions >>>>> which >>>>>>> include conducting field surveys and site inspections; preparing and >>>>>>> presenting reports of archaeological findings in written and >>>> illustrated >>>>>>> form; monitoring and supervising exploration and salvage contracts >> and >>>>>>> related files; maintaining underwater site information databases; >> and >>>>>>> maintaining boats, vehicles, and underwater equipment. 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Experience and skills in maintenance >>>> and >>>>>>> repair of marine-related equipment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ability to design and implement archaeological research of submerged >>>>> sites; >>>>>>> to conduct historical research; to use personal computer software; >> and >>>> to >>>>>>> write professional reports. Desire to travel throughout the state >> on >>>> a >>>>>>> regular basis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (d) A State of Florida employment application form can be obtained >> by >>>>>>> calling or writing to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bureau of Human Resources >>>>>>> Collins Building, Room 266 >>>>>>> 107 W. 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