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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:23:31 -0400
To: FLTechDiver@mikey.net
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: Marine Electric trip report
Cc: vbtech@ci*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
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This was a follow up expedition to the one done on Oct 14-15, 2000 can be 
seen at http://www.captjt.com/story_marine_electric_dive.htm



The Marine Electric was a T-E Bulk carrier T-2 Tanker and was converted in 
1962 from 504x68x39 to 605x75x47. On Feb 12, 1983 only 3 of the 34 crewmen 
on board survived the sinking of the "Marine Electric", of the 31 crewmen 
who lost there lives, six were never found. The wreck now rest in 130ft 85 
miles NNE of Rudee Inlet,Va.

On June 9th at 2am the dive vessel "Miss Lindsey" departed for a 2 day trip 
to the "Marine Electric", the boat was rigged with O2 and HE (and argon for 
our drysuits), a Haskel, cascading whips and the boat has a compressor with 
banks. I don't know how many dives are planned out that well, but VBtech 
always does it.
On the previous expedition VBtech divers had encountered a watertight door 
that prevented them from entering the engine room by way of the pump room. 
The team had taken on the task of going in there to see if any proof that 
the 6 missing crewman were left in the engine room as they had been 
standing watch when the ship went down.

The main group had resigned up for the task and a few more guys were able 
to go. Everyone went for the fun of the trip and each person was task for 
different things based on their training and experience. Some had even 
gotten additional training (full cave) to help with the dive.

The new guys that signed up for the trip proved to be a match for the plan. 
Those that could only offer support did so and reached a new level of 
understanding how well a team effort can produce results. No one went away 
feeling like they did not have something to contribute to the dive.

A total of 8 divers were slated to enter at least to the watertight door, 
that was way up from the 3 that did it last year, we are growing in numbers 
and skill in the VBtech group.

The plan was to remove the watertight door as that would put us into the 
engine room at the shortest distance to get in, while at the same time the 
buddy team of Rick Atkins and Eric Deister would continue to push a line 
from the extreme stern to the engine room. All other passageways to the 
engine room had proved to be blocked on the previous trip.

Jim Cobb was task to tie us into the wreck and return to brief us on the 
tie in and diving conditions. He returned to report that the hook was at 
the break between the pump room and mid body, the best possible place to be 
for our plans, temp was 60 on top and 6ft of vis, 48 on the bottom and 30ft 
of vis.

I held a detailed briefing on the upper deck with all tools, drawings, and 
cable jacks for everyone to operate and get familiar with. All divers that 
were to enter inside the wreck chose  trimix for the dive, at a max depth 
of 130ft the low mix I chose of 24/15 for the dive worked well.

The teams went as follows, Rick and Eric started the long push in the tight 
places from the very stern. Bill Ripley, Tom Sawicki, and JT would go to 
the watertight door inside the pump room. Bill and I took the jacks and 
tools, while Tom carried an extra 80 stage of bottom gas to be placed at 
the door should anyone need it for the remainder of the trip. We rigged the 
2 jacks to pull the door off and started the process. I called the dive at 
25 mins due to the fact we had no more rope to use as a hold back line to 
keep the door from falling towards us when it popped off. Three man teams 
were task for the door removal, 2 to work the jacks and one to hold the 
light and watch for anything that seemed unsafe and call the dive if needed.

During our brief deco, the team of Dave Widen, Rodney King, and Todd 
Clagett entered the water to follow up the task. An exchange 
of  information was made by wet notes from me to Dave and I had ran a line 
from outside the wreck to the door and placed a strobe on the line so they 
could find it.

Within a short period they had completed the task and the door was removed, 
the only problem was Rodney said Todd needed more ass to work the jack;-), 
but the plan had work perfectly. They returned to the boat after a short 
dive outside to let the silt settle back down inside.

The 3 man teams were then broken down into buddy teams Dave Widen/Rodney 
King, Bill Ripley/Todd Clagett, and Tom Sawicki/JT Barker. Dave /Rodney 
went back down after a 2 SI to remove all tools and ran a line in the ER, 
they ran one from the watertight door through another watertight door and 
to the extreme other end of the space. After they had been gone for 1 hr 
Tom and I left for the ER, as they should have been out. I let Tom lead 
because of his  background in cave diving (he had been trained by JJ) and I 
felt he was best suited for the dive. We had planned to branch out off the 
line and start to search the ER, at only about 35ft into the ER I called 
the dive, the silt level from Dave and Rodney was much to high for me, Tom 
wrote on his wet note "Which Way"   once we had left the ER  and I wrote "I 
think it is too much for me" meaning the silt in there, and he agreed. We 
then left and I showed him the other areas we had dived inside the wreck. 
During deco Tom wrote "I think it will be hard to find anything in there" 
and I wrote "Stirred up". Bill and Todd had plan to enter after us and they 
also called the dive on silt level.

On Rick's and Eric's second dive they were able to connect the lines in the 
ER and the passageway from the stern, they also recovered nearly 100 pieces 
of china and some was placed outside of the wreck for other divers to 
recover, to keep divers out of the wreck.

On our 3rd dive everyone  plan to scooter the outside of the wreck, if you 
ever do that you  will see one of the most impressive wrecks there is. I 
took Tom on a complete tour of the wreck, the bow which is so big we were 
able to  scooter into and inside it, the wreck which is massive in size and 
length, is best done on a scooter to get the full picture. During our deco 
Tom wrote to me, he'd had a good time.

Everyone went to bed and dreamed about the next day(I did anyway). Everyone 
opted to do one long dive in the morning and head home. Only Rick/Eric and 
Tom/JT plan to enter the ER again, Rick would video and I would shoot 
stills. Tom and I entered through the pump room and Rick and Eric the 
stern, we would not be in the wreck at the same time. Tom and I went first.

The silt had settled and I would lead in order to get clear shots, I had 
told Tom I would be moving very slow and be pointing things out to him as 
I'm taking photos and looking for any signs of the missing crew. Retrieval 
of line reels and removal of entrance lines were also tasked. I entered and 
took several photos, showed Tom various things like gauges and stuff that 
were covered in silt, we moved through one engine compartment to another, 
there were snags everywhere, I had told Tom not to touch anything for fear 
that it may fall on us. We reached the aft BH and I tied the line, cut it 
and place the reel on my D-ring, then it happened, the loudest "BOOM" I 
have ever heard underwater, total SILT OUT, I did not move. I could see 
only a faint glow from Tom's light, he had been right behind me and then 
I  saw his hand move in front of my mask, neither of us made a move to get 
out and the silt started to settle. I tried to put my knife back in its 
sheath, but could not and chose to just hold it. I placed my other hand on 
the line which was now becoming visible again. It was so tight it felt like 
a piano string, it was clear something had fallen. Tom had moved very close 
to me and I was unsure exactly what had happen, I still could not see very 
much or if we could get past what had fallen, what seemed like an 
eternity(only a few minutes), Tom signaled to follow him, he could see how 
to get over the thing that had fallen, I was unaware that he had seen it 
starting to fall and had tried to hold it up while I was tieing the line, 
it was a piece of the  catwalk or foundation for that space. We were able 
to pass over it and re find the line, we made it to the other space and I 
stopped to place my knife in its sheath and look a bit more, Tom waited at 
the pump room watertight door for me. He retrieved the stage and I removed 
the line leading into the wreck. Once outside Tom made a gesture as if he 
were wiping sweat off his forehead, as if that were a close call and I agreed.

During deco, Rick past me and I stopped him and told him of the "cave in" 
and he understood my words underwater, he and Eric entered at the stern and 
plan to video that swim in, near the ER they came across a life jacket with 
shirt, pants and shoes stuck in the overhead, it appeared to be the remains 
of a crew member and video was shot, the cloths not touched, I have viewed 
the tape and to me it does not look like it could be one to me, but I am 
not 100% sure.  It was sometime before they made it to the ER and they were 
able to video the catwalk/foundation that had fallen, it is quite big and 
had it fallen one minute sooner or later, I am not sure I would be writing 
this report.

During one of our decos, Tom had shown me his brand new Jonline, and wrote 
me a note "you guys are turning me to the darkside" as a joke. I told him 
that if we had died in there, they would have found me with my knife out 
and would have said I tried to kill him and take his air. Then they would 
have said he died from breaking rule number one, I said jokingly. I also 
said I would get a ton of emails from the guys who do nothing but dive on 
the "net" , because I always tell the truth about my dives. I felt pleased 
when he said to fwd him the emails and he would handle those flames, I was 
happy that he had been trained so well and never panicked. Lesser divers 
have been known to freaked out. Tom had brought a "Banana" on board which 
is rumored to be bad luck on a boat, were we lucky to get out or unlucky it 
happened, beware of the "Banana" curse. ;-)

It will take a hundred dives I think to totally search that ER and it is 
very risky to do so, I will have to reconsider going back in there and 
suggest only the very best and trained divers attempt to go in there.

I would also like to thank the others who helped   Leo MacEntee, Jerry 
Setlock, Erika Troutman, Nancy Hite, Debbie Cacace, and Tom Adams who did a 
great job of clearing the wreck of those pesky lobsters ;-)


Capt JT

I will add photos to my site soon, there are many to come. The other guys 
are welcome to add to this report.


"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the 
water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email     captjt@mi*.co*


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<br>
<br>
<br>
This was a follow up expedition to the one done on Oct 14-15, 2000 can be
seen at
<a href=3D"http://www.captjt.com/story_marine_electric_dive.htm"=
 eudora=3D"autourl"><font=

color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.captjt.com</a></font>/story_marine_elec
tric=
_dive.<a href=3D"http://www.captjt.com/story_marine_electric_dive.htm"=
 eudora=3D"autourl"><font color=3D"#0000FF">htm</a></font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</u>The Marine Electric was a T-E Bulk carrier T-2 Tanker and was converted=
 in 1962 from 504x68x39 to 605x75x47. On Feb 12, 1983 only 3 of the 34=
 crewmen on board survived the sinking of the "Marine Electric",=
 of the 31 crewmen who lost there lives, six were never found. The wreck now=
 rest in 130ft 85 miles NNE of Rudee Inlet,Va.<br>
<br>
On June 9th at 2am the dive vessel "Miss Lindsey" departed for a 2=
 day trip to the "Marine Electric", the boat was rigged with O2=
 and HE (and argon for our drysuits), a Haskel, cascading whips and the boat=
 has a compressor with banks. I don't know how many dives are planned out=
 that well, but VBtech always does it.<br>
On the previous expedition VBtech divers had encountered a watertight door=
 that prevented them from entering the engine room by way of the pump room.=
 The team had taken on the task of going in there to see if any proof that=
 the 6 missing crewman were left in the engine room as they had been=
 standing watch when the ship went down.<br>
<br>
The main group had resigned up for the task and a few more guys were able to=
 go. Everyone went for the fun of the trip and each person was task for=
 different things based on their training and experience. Some had even=
 gotten additional training (full cave) to help with the dive.<br>
<br>
The new guys that signed up for the trip proved to be a match for the plan.=
 Those that could only offer support did so and reached a new level of=
 understanding how well a team effort can produce results. No one went away=
 feeling like they did not have something to contribute to the dive. <br>
<br>
A total of 8 divers were slated to enter at least to the watertight door,=
 that was way up from the 3 that did it last year, we are growing in numbers=
 and skill in the VBtech group. <br>
<br>
The plan was to remove the watertight door as that would put us into the=
 engine room at the shortest distance to get in, while at the same time the=
 buddy team of Rick Atkins and Eric Deister would continue to push a line=
 from the extreme stern to the engine room. All other passageways to the=
 engine room had proved to be blocked on the previous trip. <br>
<br>
Jim Cobb was task to tie us into the wreck and return to brief us on the tie=
 in and diving conditions. He returned to report that the hook was at the=
 break between the pump room and mid body, the best possible place to be for=
 our plans, temp was 60 on top and 6ft of vis, 48 on the bottom and 30ft of=
 vis. <br>
<br>
I held a detailed briefing on the upper deck with all tools, drawings, and=
 cable jacks for everyone to operate and get familiar with. All divers that=
 were to enter inside the wreck chose  trimix for the dive, at a max=
 depth of 130ft the low mix I chose of 24/15 for the dive worked well.<br>
<br>
The teams went as follows, Rick and Eric started the long push in the tight=
 places from the very stern. Bill Ripley, Tom Sawicki, and JT would go to=
 the watertight door inside the pump room. Bill and I took the jacks and=
 tools, while Tom carried an extra 80 stage of bottom gas to be placed at=
 the door should anyone need it for the remainder of the trip. We rigged the=
 2 jacks to pull the door off and started the process. I called the dive at=
 25 mins due to the fact we had no more rope to use as a hold back line to=
 keep the door from falling towards us when it popped off. Three man teams=
 were task for the door removal, 2 to work the jacks and one to hold the=
 light and watch for anything that seemed unsafe and call the dive if=
 needed. <br>
<br>
During our brief deco, the team of Dave Widen, Rodney King, and Todd Clagett=
 entered the water to follow up the task. An exchange of  information=
 was made by wet notes from me to Dave and I had ran a line from outside the=
 wreck to the door and placed a strobe on the line so they could find=
 it.<br>
<br>
Within a short period they had completed the task and the door was removed,=
 the only problem was Rodney said Todd needed more ass to work the jack;-),=
 but the plan had work perfectly. They returned to the boat after a short=
 dive outside to let the silt settle back down inside.<br>
<br>
The 3 man teams were then broken down into buddy teams Dave Widen/Rodney=
 King, Bill Ripley/Todd Clagett, and Tom Sawicki/JT Barker. Dave /Rodney=
 went back down after a 2 SI to remove all tools and ran a line in the ER,=
 they ran one from the watertight door through another watertight door and=
 to the extreme other end of the space. After they had been gone for 1 hr=
 Tom and I left for the ER, as they should have been out. I let Tom lead=
 because of his  background in cave diving (he had been trained by JJ)=
 and I felt he was best suited for the dive. We had planned to branch out=
 off the line and start to search the ER, at only about 35ft into the ER I=
 called the dive, the silt level from Dave and Rodney was much to high for=
 me, Tom wrote on his wet note "Which Way"   once we had=
 left the ER  and I wrote "I think it is too much for me"=
 meaning the silt in there, and he agreed. We then left and I showed him the=
 other areas we had dived inside the wreck. During deco Tom wrote "I=
 think it will be hard to find anything in there" and I wrote=
 "Stirred up". Bill and Todd had plan to enter after us and they=
 also called the dive on silt level.<br>
<br>
On Rick's and Eric's second dive they were able to connect the lines in the=
 ER and the passageway from the stern, they also recovered nearly 100 pieces=
 of china and some was placed outside of the wreck for other divers to=
 recover, to keep divers out of the wreck. <br>
<br>
On our 3rd dive everyone  plan to scooter the outside of the wreck, if=
 you ever do that you  will see one of the most impressive wrecks there=
 is. I took Tom on a complete tour of the wreck, the bow which is so big we=
 were able to  scooter into and inside it, the wreck which is massive=
 in size and length, is best done on a scooter to get the full picture.=
 During our deco Tom wrote to me, he'd had a good time.<br>
<br>
Everyone went to bed and dreamed about the next day(I did anyway). Everyone=
 opted to do one long dive in the morning and head home. Only Rick/Eric and=
 Tom/JT plan to enter the ER again, Rick would video and I would shoot=
 stills. Tom and I entered through the pump room and Rick and Eric the=
 stern, we would not be in the wreck at the same time. Tom and I went=
 first.<br>
<br>
The silt had settled and I would lead in order to get clear shots, I had=
 told Tom I would be moving very slow and be pointing things out to him as=
 I'm taking photos and looking for any signs of the missing crew. Retrieval=
 of line reels and removal of entrance lines were also tasked. I entered and=
 took several photos, showed Tom various things like gauges and stuff that=
 were covered in silt, we moved through one engine compartment to another,=
 there were snags everywhere, I had told Tom not to touch anything for fear=
 that it may fall on us. We reached the aft BH and I tied the line, cut it=
 and place the reel on my D-ring, then it happened, the loudest=
 "BOOM" I have ever heard underwater, total SILT OUT, I did not=
 move. I could see only a faint glow from Tom's light, he had been right=
 behind me and then I  saw his hand move in front of my mask, neither=
 of us made a move to get out and the silt started to settle. I tried to put=
 my knife back in its sheath, but could not and chose to just hold it. I=
 placed my other hand on the line which was now becoming visible again. It=
 was so tight it felt like a piano string, it was clear something had=
 fallen. Tom had moved very close to me and I was unsure exactly what had=
 happen, I still could not see very much or if we could get past what had=
 fallen, what seemed like an eternity(only a few minutes), Tom signaled to=
 follow him, he could see how to get over the thing that had fallen, I was=
 unaware that he had seen it starting to fall and had tried to hold it up=
 while I was tieing the line, it was a piece of the  catwalk or=
 foundation for that space. We were able to pass over it and re find the=
 line, we made it to the other space and I stopped to place my knife in its=
 sheath and look a bit more, Tom waited at the pump room watertight door for=
 me. He retrieved the stage and I removed the line leading into the wreck.=
 Once outside Tom made a gesture as if he were wiping sweat off his=
 forehead, as if that were a close call and I agreed.<br>
<br>
During deco, Rick past me and I stopped him and told him of the "cave=
 in" and he understood my words underwater, he and Eric entered at the=
 stern and plan to video that swim in, near the ER they came across a life=
 jacket with shirt, pants and shoes stuck in the overhead, it appeared to be=
 the remains of a crew member and video was shot, the cloths not touched, I=
 have viewed the tape and to me it does not look like it could be one to me,=
 but I am not 100% sure.  It was sometime before they made it to the ER=
 and they were able to video the catwalk/foundation that had fallen, it is=
 quite big and had it fallen one minute sooner or later, I am not sure I=
 would be writing this report. <br>
<br>
During one of our decos, Tom had shown me his brand new Jonline, and wrote=
 me a note "you guys are turning me to the darkside" as a joke. I=
 told him that if we had died in there, they would have found me with my=
 knife out and would have said I tried to kill him and take his air. Then=
 they would have said he died from breaking rule number one, I said=
 jokingly. I also said I would get a ton of emails from the guys who do=
 nothing but dive on the "net" , because I always tell the truth=
 about my dives. I felt pleased when he said to fwd him the emails and he=
 would handle those flames, I was happy that he had been trained so well and=
 never panicked. Lesser divers have been known to freaked out. Tom had=
 brought a "Banana" on board which is rumored to be bad luck on a=
 boat, were we lucky to get out or unlucky it happened, beware of the=
 "Banana" curse. ;-)  <br>
<br>
It will take a hundred dives I think to totally search that ER and it is=
 very risky to do so, I will have to reconsider going back in there and=
 suggest only the very best and trained divers attempt to go in there.<br>
<br>
I would also like to thank the others who helped   Leo MacEntee,=
 Jerry Setlock, Erika Troutman, Nancy Hite, Debbie Cacace, and Tom Adams who=
 did a great job of clearing the wreck of those pesky lobsters ;-)<br>
<br>
<br>
Capt JT<br>
<br>
I will add photos to my site soon, there are many to come. The other guys=
 are welcome to add to this report.<br>
  <br>
<br>

"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in=
 the water"<br>
<font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the
East=
 Coast & more <br>
 Web Site  <a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=
 eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br>
Email     captjt@mi*.co*<br>
<br>
</font></u></html>=00

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