Dr. G , it is one of those things we all need to know. When I started
diving, I got taught by my father's boat captain, who put the gear on me and
said, " carry the catch bag and don't hold your breath on the way up". We
dove the wall at Walker's Cay, and I was hooked. I saw this guy in Brownies
the other day, and we had a good laugh. Anyway, I then started looking for
information since I liked doing this so much. There was an still is
virtually none in the training agency domain, I got it all from other
sources.

Hopefully GUE will correct that.

Right now, you know who makes the most money off of PFO? Alton Hall, in
court, and he wins every time as he should, and as the plaintiffs in the
tobacco cases should. The "prevaricators" and party liners can run, but they
can not hide from Alton. Thank God, because the ONLY thing that works in
this game is a swift kick in the balls. Logic, reason, fact and experience
mean nothing to the dive industry - only the foot to the toolbox, my
specialty, and Alton's retirement fund.

Anyone who teaches diving and does not make their students aware of this is
a criminal in my opinion, or a moron.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendell Grogan [mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:43 PM
To: Trey
Cc: Roberto Hashimoto; Quest@Gu*. Com; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: Re: Diving after BENDS


Unfortunately you're right.  Good news is that as long as he heals up
OK, he will probably do fine diving, assuming he is more careful in the
future.  Seems to me that some wise man once said something along the
lines of "the devil's in the details."
Wendell

Trey wrote:
>
> You got hit on the second dive, but temporarily recompressed it on the
third
> dive, but the damage was done, and you felt it while still in the water
due
> to the body's reaction to it and the swelling and so forth.
>
> My guess is bounce dive, no PFO or shunt.
>
> Let me also say , since everyone is pissed about my comment about Eddie
> spouting dive industry lies, that while only a small percentage of people
> who smoke get lung cancer, nearly 100 percent of people who get lung
cancer
> smoked. This is the same king of thing for PFO - other than 1) explosive
> decompression, 2) bounce as I will describe below ( your mistake ), and 3)
> pulmonary shunt, nearly all CNS hits involve a PFO, atrial septal defect
or
> an upper aortal shut which is a genetic defect. PERIOD. The dive industry
is
> full of shit on this one.
>
> NOW: can somebody repost the "Why we don't bounce dive " _ I do not have
it
> anymore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roberto Hashimoto [mailto:japo@su*.co*]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:38 PM
> To: Trey
> Subject: Re: Diving after BENDS
>
> George:
>     How are you doing?
>     Sorry i couldnt give you the data faster this is what hapend
>     I made 3 dives the day i got bend.
>     The dive where made with AIR
>
>     1st Dive:     12:00AM to 86ft 60 min plus deco, i was making deco with
> air and 100% O2,
>     2nd Dive:    6:30PM, i dive to 84ft for 8 min
>     3rd Dive:    6:50PM i dive to 89ft for 70 min plus Deco
>
>     In the last dive at around 25ft i felt the Hit, my arms got a little
> numb, i got to 20 ft and started to breath 100% O2, made my decompresion
and
> aded 20min more of Deco.
>     After i got out of the water i was felling a lot better but my legs
> where
> numb so i return to Merida, but couldnt get treatment after 12 hours, when
i
> got to the hyperbaric chamber the doctor check me up and give me a 6A
table
> and i started to feel better, but i still had some sintoms, numness in my
> legs,
> after the table 6a i got 11 treatments of 2 hour each time and rigth now i
> dont have
> sintoms anymore.
>     I thnk i was a little dehidrated but i think the main thing was the
> bounce dive before i went to the last dive, but im not shure
>     I was making some Archeological measuremnts.
>     I fuck up thinking was a Pussy dive and thats when everithing hapened,
> normaly im more cearefull.
>     Other thing i didnt made any deep stops i think that also that was a
> problem.
>
> I hope you can help me out with this information
>
> Hashimoto
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: "John Walker" <techdive@ea*.ne*>; "Roberto Hashimoto"
> <japo@su*.co*>; "Quest@Gu*. Com" <quest@gu*.co*>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Diving after BENDS
>
> > Depends on whether he got it from a post dive bounce or outright. If
> > outright, he has an issue here. If not , he needs to read my no bounce
> post.
> > My guess is he bounced, since they have a bunch of sinks that go nowhere
> and
> > if you are trying to check a few in one area, you may end up with a lot
of
> > bounces. I am waiting for him to give me the details.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Walker [mailto:techdive@ea*.ne*]
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:16 PM
> > To: Roberto Hashimoto; Quest@Gu*. Com
> > Subject: Re: Diving after BENDS
> >
> >
> > Stay out of the water and pick up another hobby.
> >
> >   JW
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roberto Hashimoto" <japo@su*.co*>
> > To: "Quest@Gu*. Com" <quest@gu*.co*>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:04 AM
> > Subject: Diving after BENDS
> >
> >
> > Hello list:
> >     I want to learn about Diving after having a BENDS Type II, how much
> time
> > etc, if anyone haves info or weblinks i can check please send it on the
> > Internet
> >
> > HASHIMOTO
> >
> >
> >
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