Joe, come on, who would use a sealed device as a lift bag from depth?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Citelli" <joe@po*.co*>
To: "ASC" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>; "Gertje"
<gert.je@wo*.nl*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Surface Markers


> >I'm unaware of problems when one deploys the bag properly.
>
> Well I am.
>
> I'm not advocating anything other than determining whether or not the seam
> problem has been corrected.  If you shoot the bag from any depth the over
> pressure valve should be able to dump enough air to prevent the seams from
> bursting.  Either the seams are bad or the valve is too small.  If you can
> only use it from 70' then it is only a limited use surface marker, not a
> lift bag.  The original question was which product will serve as both a
> marker and emergency lift.
>
> I personally never shoot the bag until the 70 to 50ft stop.   But if, as
an
> addendum to your courses, you dive, you realize that there are
circumstances
> where you want the boat to know your whereabouts asap which might preclude
> waiting until the 70' stop.
>
> Now I'm not interested in a philosophical debate over when to shoot the
bag.
> Plain and simple, if you can't shoot it from depth without it rupturing,
it
> does not fit the need.
>
> jc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ASC <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
> To: Joe Citelli <joe@po*.co*>; Gertje <gert.je@wo*.nl*>;
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Surface Markers
>
>
> > If one takes a GUE course, he or she would know that GUE advocates
> deploying
> > the lift bag once you arrive at 70', not at 275'.  I'm unaware of
problems
> > when one deploys the bag properly.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joe Citelli <joe@po*.co*>
> > To: Gertje <gert.je@wo*.nl*>; <RLucas1013@ao*.co*>;
> > <FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 10:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: Surface Markers
> >
> >
> > > The concept is great but I did not mention that one because there have
> > been
> > > some problems with the seams opening up on them.  Before I purchased
one
> I
> > > would check with Halcyon to see if this has been corrected.
> > >
> > > jc
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gertje <gert.je@wo*.nl*>
> > > To: Joe Citelli <joe@po*.co*>; <RLucas1013@ao*.co*>;
> > > <FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Surface Markers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Durin the GUE Tech1 we learned to use the Halcyon #80 lbs liftbag.
It
> > has
> > > a
> > > > no-dump construction, and has to be inflated with your
inflator-hose.
> A
> > > real
> > > > beauty if you ask me.
> > > >
> > > > Gertjan
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Joe Citelli <joe@po*.co*>
> > > > To: <RLucas1013@ao*.co*>; <FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net>;
> > > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:17 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Surface Markers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For emergency lift you need a lift bag - not a marker.  The 100
lb.
> > > > Carters
> > > > > (the old standby) seem to be the best and most reliable.  It will
> > double
> > > > as
> > > > > a surface marker but a poor one at best since it sits low in the
> water
> > > and
> > > > > will often either be missed or will attract boaters who will think
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > debris and try to pick them up.
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to have a proper marker - ie.: a float ball with a flag
or
> a
> > > > > torpedo float - plus the lift bag.   The float ball will provide
> > plenty
> > > of
> > > > > buoyancy but does you no good if you are not on it.  The torpedo
> > floats
> > > > will
> > > > > not double as flotation.  My experience with the surface marker
> (OMS)
> > > you
> > > > > refer to is negative.  Unless you have a dead weight pulling it
down
> > it
> > > > lays
> > > > > flat on the surface instead of erect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <RLucas1013@ao*.co*>
> > > > > To: <FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: Surface Markers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I presently use a lift bag when doing drift deco, however, I see
> > most
> > > > > people
> > > > > > are using surface markers here in South Florida and I'm about to
> > cross
> > > > > over,
> > > > > > but tired of buying shit and every dealer swears theirs is the
> best.
> > I
> > > > was
> > > > > > wondering if any particular brand or model was best suited for a
> > > surface
> > > > > > marker and could double for emergency lift. Any info or comments
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  1. OMS's surface marker, I think it's 55# of lift and has the
O.
> P
> > > vent
> > > > > > (pull type) and one way flapper near bottom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. The new (new to me) Carter 35# surface marker that has an
oral
> > > > inflate
> > > > > and
> > > > > > O.P vent in same tube located near the bottom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Too all who reply thanks for your time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BOB
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