Steve, you have been fed total bullshit - nothing you are saying is true
other than that for any gas, slow ascents are obviously better, but from
reading your deep air bullshit, you have many miles to go on the learning
curve before anyone can even discuss this intelligently with you. I see that
idiot Zurl is copied here. He is a big proponent of deep air diving and has
much experience doing it. He has written articles in local scuba magazines
extolling the virtues of it so that more people can get killed doing it.
Start with this moron and maybe you two can figure it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve [mailto:sfkenney@ea*.ne*]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:40 AM
To: Jim Cobb; Z; Fltechdiver; Tech Diver
Subject: Re: TriMix Computer Vote RESULTS


I take it you are the webmaster on the trimix site? Very good work BTW, it's
a home mixers dream come true. I would like to try some helium diving this
year. I'm somewhat concerned about the side effects, stiff joints flu like
symptoms, problems from rapid ascents. Why do you need to make slow descents
when using helium? With all the talk about the danger of deep air, I've set
my limit at 150'. I want to learn to dive helium without computers and
without cutting tables, just have the knowledge to calculate on the fly as I
go.

Steve



on 5/28/01 5:25 PM, Jim Cobb at Cobber@ci*.co* wrote:

> Once you cut your tables you need to carry them down somehow. Some like to
> tape them to flat plastic slates. Others combine a bottom timer to a
conformal
> plastic slate. Mike Zurl contributed a nice page on how to make one where
you
> don't need to use duct tape to write your numbers on.
>
> Jim
>
> On Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:42 PM, Steve <sfkenney@ea*.ne*> wrote:
>>
>> Jim, what do you mean about your new wrist slate section? I'm not
positive I
>> want to get way into tech diving because I'm 48 years old but I do want
to
>> learn about it. Decompression theory is interesting and it's affects on
the
>> body is relevent to me even if I don't go real deep. I may decide down
the
>> road to volunteer for a recompression chamber.
>>
>>
>> 1) Tables
>> 2) No tables and no computer
>> 3) Math equations??
>> 4) Tabletop software programs
>> 5) Wrist Computers
>> by order of preference
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> on 5/27/01 10:35 AM, Jim Cobb at cobber@ci*.co* wrote:
>>
>>> Get yourself a cheap laptop, Decoplanner from www.gue.com, see my new
wrist
>>> slate section, purchase a uwatec bottom timer. Then take the $1000 you
save
>>> and get yourself a proper set of wings, doubles and regs. If tech diving
is
>>> what you want to get into, then you are all set. If you simply have to
get a
>>> computer for non-trimix deco dives then go for the DiveRite or Suunto
Viper
>>> which has a gauge mode you can use for when you do the deep stuff.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
>>>
>>>> From: Steve <sfkenney@ea*.ne*>
>>>> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:43:57 -0700
>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, Z <mzurl@be*.ne*>,
Fltechdiver
>>>> <fltechdiver@mikey.net>, Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: TriMix Computer Vote RESULTS
>>>>
>>>> I didn't see the post where I could vote on computers. I don't think I
>>>> would
>>>> buy one for $1900 unless I was a professional diver and they were
proven to
>>>> work well. Are there two brands on the market now, Dive-Rite and Abyss?
I
>>>> believe they monitor three gases and you can switch gas on the fly,
sounds
>>>> impressive.
>>>>
>>>> What are the options for a beginner tech diver?
>>>>
>>>> 1) Tables
>>>> 2) Tabletop software programs
>>>> 3) Wrist Computers
>>>> 4) No tables and no computer
>>>> 5) Math equations??
>>>>
>>>> Steve Kenney
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on 5/25/01 3:54 PM, Jim Cobb at cobber@ci*.co* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, this vote shows that there are 21 IANTD instroketors on Mikey's
list
>>>>> here and 4 normal people. This might explain why you boys seem to have
>>>>> such
>>>>> a hard time filling tech trips down there, not enough trimix
computers...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, moving right along...
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Z" <mzurl@be*.ne*>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:23:09 -0400
>>>>>> To: "Fltechdiver" <fltechdiver@mikey.net>
>>>>>> Subject: TriMix Computer Vote RESULTS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ALL -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this time, it appears anyone who was going to vote did so.  As a
>>>>>> result,
>>>>>> I have decided to release the results of the first DeeperStuff
Technical
>>>>>> Dive Debate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question:
>>>>>> Would you use a wrist-mounted TriMix computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RESULTS:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NO     4
>>>>>> YES    21
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YES BY A LANDSLIDE !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Z's Analysis:
>>>>>> To some, it might appear that voter turnout was low. I believe this
was
>>>>>> due
>>>>>> to a small population of trimix rated divers to begin with.  Since
>>>>>> FLTechDiver is monitored by hundreds' I suspect many were afraid to
vote
>>>>>> due
>>>>>> to their lack of experience in this area.  Although I will not
divulge
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> names of those who voted, many are well respected "mix" divers, and
at
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> a couple  admitted currently owning a "mix" computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will admit the landslide surprised me.  I figured we were in for a
much
>>>>>> closer tally.  This also confirms what I have always believed, that
many
>>>>>> monitor these lists without voicing their opinion which is in direct
>>>>>> contradiction to a few VERY vocal participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone asked me how I was going to vote.  For the record, I said
"YES"
>>>>>> (if
>>>>>> I could find a mix computer I liked that is)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Z
>>>>>> www.deeperstuff.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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