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JT, tone in email is sometimes more perceived than real. Mike Black is
actually my biggest ally on here: he immediately puts out what the weenies
are saying behind our back. Nobody else will do that. Black is a must on
this list in my opinion. Who cares if he is right or wrong, he is only
saying what the idiots tell him. We need that information so that they can
not continuously go behind our backs with it to turn people to the dark
side.
Berman is no different than one of my actual guys: if JJ got killed doing
something stupid, I would be the first to say it was stupid. Exley was my
friend, but I was the first to say he was a moron for doing that dive and
for doing the first 400 feet on air and not being able to recover. I told
him that to his living face every night on the phone and every weekend in
person when I was diving with him prior to his doing it and now that he is
dead it is still ridiculous. Everyone got pissed about me saying Rob Palmer
was a moron for killing himself on deep air. I stand corrected there - he
was a moron for letting TDI drag him so low.
These guys all serve as examples , everyone needs to get the message they
died delivering.
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:44 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: request from the list
Trey, it is never the suggestions you make that bother me, but the tone of
the post when you do it. That was the same thing that bothered me about the
Steve post you made to MJB, it was the TONE of the remarks not the message.
The "reality" to me for the deep dives may be different from others, I
enjoy the stress of the dive, the planning, the goals, new unknown or
seldom seen wrecks and yes is it satisfying to know I can do it
"repeatedly". Just like you I survive when others don't or can't, I am
capable of things underwater that even amaze myself sometimes, but on that
490ft dive, if one thing would have gone wrong during the descent or on the
bottom I probably would have died, one does not solve problems at that
depth on OC.
You saw the tape, we tried to cover almost everything, some things we had
talked over did not make the briefing on tape, but at some point I think we
hit everything, but you are welcome to tell me the things you think should
have been done, you know we are doing it again and I will take anything you
say into consideration. Though I think you may not wish to post it, it does
not matter to me if you post it or not.
We were making our list of divers to invite to dive with us, just like last
year, Steve had made our list, I wanted to met him.
JT
At 06:21 AM 5/22/01 -0400, Trey wrote:
>JT, this is fine, but the correct thing to do is describe the dive and not
>freak when suggestions are made. I made my suggestions on this subject
based
>on a logbook full of them, and there is no reason for you to go off on it.
>True, you can offer the "reality" of these things and that should be
>stressed more so than the depth. Depth is not a good goal for divers, good
>diving is. They need to find out from you why that is true, not why they
>should try it.
>
>I have put a ton of work into developing systems and methods that have
>clearly reduced the odds, and I know you want to do the same. I have some
>minor suggestions for you that I think will make your operation bullet
>proof. I certainly do not want to put them on here in that form, it is too
>important to be subject to the cross fire of some of these strokes on here.
>I just had one idiot call me a "Nazi" and tell me there are other ways to
>dive. I guess when he starts diving he will let me know what those methods
>are, and I will certainly pass them on to you for a good laugh.
>
>On the subject of Berman, let me tell you that I thought he was a nice guy.
>When I went diving with JJ, who lived next door to Berman, I would leave my
>kids there and Berm would let them ride his three wheelers and play with
all
>of his stuff. When I was first trying to learn cave diving , Berm took me
on
>some dives where I needed an instructor to be able to dive, and he would
not
>let me pay him. He used to let me use his tools and parts to fix my teknas
>back in the old days, and then I made him one of my scooters later on.
>
>The problem is he is dead. Sheck is dead. Sherwood is dead. Bobby is dead.
>Bill McFadden is dead. Dead nice guys do me no good, and they do nobody
else
>any more good when they kill themselves doing non DIR things. I have an
iron
>clad set of rules that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt are correct, and I
>will never compromise on them.
>
>Everyone can benefit from that if they will drop the resentment long enough
>to look at the facts. Like you say, you and I bickering does nothing,
>because we are really on the same side. It merely polarizes the peanut
>gallery and distracts from the message.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:20 PM
>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: request from the list
>
>
>Trey, thank you for answering how I ask you to on your last post. You and I
>should stop this bickering back and forth. No one can learn a thing from
>it, nor do I want them to. All I care about is diving safely,facts, and
fun.
>Clearly you can offer more technical facts to the list than I, but I
>believe I can offer sound advice on the reality of very deep
>dives/wreckdives with facts of the dives, I am the one doing them and they
>are no joke.
>We do not have to be friends, but merely on the same side of safety, I
>cannot save everyone, but just one is worth the effort to me.
>
>JT
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
>water"
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>Email captjt@mi*.co*
>
>
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