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From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@ho*.co*>
To: "'George Irvine'" <George-Irvine@em*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: PADI TecRec... Has ANYONE ever heard of their "Experts"??? (LONG)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 05:06:51 -0700
George,

Sadly, PADI is attempting to enter the world of Technical diving but even
more sad will be the loss of a single life because of inadequate training
supplied by a PADI Technical instructor.  My past argument stating that PADI
had its place in the world teaching recreational divers has lost some of its
meaning and I honestly believe that PADI is overstepping its bounds in the
name of profit.

I have no experience in technical diving... just 3 years or so of
information on this list; I've managed to garner enough information over
these 3 years to cause me disbelief when I read the qualifications of the
individuals leading PADI's TecRec program.  Some might suggest that not
being a technical diver; I have no right to judge... however; I can still
use my brain, and it doesn't take much intelligence to see that people are
going to get hurt if extreme caution isn't exercised.

I posted my comments to this group in an attempt to have someone (anyone)
provide me one shred of evidence to support the notion that PADI's experts
are indeed capable of leading PADI's charge into technical diving.  So far,
I have received nothing but reinforcement that my initial estimation of
PADI's technical experts was correct; Most of them do not have the
qualifications to lead a technical diving program.

You know what my problem is George?  My problem is that I need to believe in
organizations I represent.  A fundamental belief that who I represent (PADI
in this case) is doing the best job they can with the resources they have.
Unfortunately, I don't believe that PADI is doing the best job they can and
I do believe that they are in it solely for the money.  You see George; I
don't believe that you can mass produce good technical divers.  The problems
that come up with mass producing recreational divers can be dealt with a
minimum loss of life.  The problems that arise with mass producing divers
who believe that they are technical divers (in my mind PADI will NEVER
actually produce technical divers with their current lot of "experts" and
ignorant philosophies such as DEEP AIR)because PADI tells them that they are
and they don't know any better; will produce a maximum loss of life.  One
might say that if someone is stupid enough to take a technical diving class
from PADI; that they deserve what they get.  The problem with that logic is:

Most people don't know enough to understand what they don't know.
Confusing?  Let me put it to you this way;  The more I know about any given
subject, the more I realize how little I know.  Ignorant technical diver
wannabe's are going to trust whatever PADI says because...well... its PADI
afterall... and they won't KNOW ANY BETTER.  What makes it even worse is
that the people that least need to be technical divers are the most likely
PADI certified divers to pursue it... the card chasers who just want an ID
card that shows they've done it all... look; I'm a technical diver because
it says so right here on my C-card.  Anyone out there think I'm wrong?  If
you are at all related to PADI, you know I'm right because you've seen it
over and over and over... Certifications and certification cards SELL... and
remember; PADI is in this for the money.

So here I sit... unable to defend PADI's foray into Technical diving.  So
what do I do?  Number one; I let PADI know how I feel (both of my posts have
been forwarded to PADI).  Number two; I speak out against anyone receiving
technical training through PADI (you can sure as hell bet that my
recreational diving students and advanced students will be told to STAY out
of PADI's technical diving program and steered towards GUE or at a minimum,
DIR).  Number three; I utilize my right of free speech and list the reasons
why I disagree with PADI and if anyone has a case to refute my comments,
I'll be happy to debate with them in a public or private forum.

The good news is; I've received more comments from PADI instructors who
agree with me than those who disagree... the bad news is that there exists a
single person who believes that PADI is doing the right thing in being
involved in technical diving.

Anyone want to place a bet with me that after PADI gets sued a few times for
killing recreational divers who believe that they are technical divers...
PADI drops the TecRec program?  Oh, and one other thing... if there are any
PADI instructors out there reading this who push this TecRec program to
their students; you will deserve what you get when one of your former
students die (whether or not you actually become a TecRec Instructor)... the
PADI instructors on this list KNOW better.  You know deep air is stupid, and
if you can read; you know that their technical diving experts are far from
it (in most, but not all cases). I can perhaps understand the 99% of PADI
instructors who push the TecRec program because they don't know better. You
however, don't have that excuse.


Kindest Regards,

Joe West  IDCS164452





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