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JR, you crack me up. What is really amazing is how people can sit back and absorb total slop and believe it. If this nonsense were true, we would not be able to decompress at all, and the worst thing you could then do is switch to oxygen, according to this bullshit. And going back to Rose's Rule and its corollaries, JP Imbert is a classic example of somebody who can show you how to do four times as much deco as is required for any dive, and still get bent. Bullman is a classic example of stumbling over the decay curve laws of nature and then completely blowing it by not seeing the rest of the picture. My personal favorite is the Navy - they could not find anyone smart enough to dive in their organization so they used pigs, and the pigs got skin bent, so we all must be in big trouble. The real sad thing about this is it is used to keep people doing the wrong things, like not using helium , not using enough helium, not using helium in their deco gases, etc. It is no mistake that the usual suspects cling to this theory like leaches, and the usual morons are on her arguing with those of us who actually do what they pretend to do yet know nothing about. The newer players can not see it so clearly, they think the big talkers are real clever guys, but the truth is those guys do not do jack shit, and the real experts with the real track record do, and are here to prove it over and over. Sooner or later the bullshit gets exposed and people get a chance to learn the way it really is. John, you and I got lucky : we both knew that pigs can't sing and , to paraphrase Rose's Rule, "If you hear it from a moron, it can not possibly be right", and that covers most of the dive industry. -----Original Message----- From: John R. Rose [mailto:rose@cs*.sc*.ed*] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:10 PM To: George Irvine Cc: scottk@nw*.co*; Techlist; Trey Subject: Re: Counter diffusion Trey, Your observation that "the dumber something is, the better it is believed", is the corollary to Rose's Rule. -John On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, George Irvine wrote: > "Isobaric counterdiffusion" is what happens when Santa Clause sucks the > Easter Bunny's dick - it's BULLSHIT. > > Bennett and Eliot I think have a mention of this crap where some Navy > morons had a pig surrounded in argon and breathing helium, and "somehow" the > pig got skin bent. No shit. > > Scott, I am surrounded in argon and breathing helium and everything else in > some of the most provocative decompressions in history, and you have seen me > in person - did I look like I had ever been injured? > > The "reasoning" for this Peter Panism is supposedly that the two vastly > different gas mediums will provoke bubbling across the interface, which is > pure bullshit. The sum of the inert gases is the opposite of the oxygen > window, and those factors govern most deco on the one side, and the pressure > differentials on the other. There is little or nothing else to it, other > than the particular physiology involved, and as you know from seeing me, I > would not make a very convincing pig, and a pig does not make a very > convincing diver. B and E needs to remove this fairy tale from that book. > > one real interesting thing is this : the dumber something is, the better it > is believed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott" <scottk@nw*.co*> > To: "Techlist" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Cc: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 12:38 PM > Subject: Counter diffusion > > > > George, > > > > Can you put the issues of "counter diffusion" into language a Jarhead can > > understand? > > > > I was accosted this past week by a "Master Diver" who warned us that "If > you > > have to take a chamber ride after breathing that shit (helium) it will > kill > > you." > > > > I was so stunned by his position and attitude that I just nodded and > > listened. > > > > Plus, I have no idea what counter diffusion is, or if or why it is an > issue > > to SCUBA divers. > > > > Scott > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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