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From: "Scott" <scottk@nw*.co*>
To: "Techlist" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:37:01 -0700
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George,

Bill Nadeau (spelling?) was teaching shit like this to a bunch of the IANTD
victims he left here in the PNW. The upside down isolator bullshit, or they
have no isolator at all, just a cross bar. They also do shit like stuffed
long hoses, Trashpaks, double OMS 66's, OMS steel 46 bottles for stages,
AL30 pony bottles hard mounted between the dubs, etc.

The reasons (this is the stone truth, direct quotes) provided by his
students:

"I was taught in life guards school to never have anything around my neck"
as reason for stuffing the long hose.

"You're getting the hose I give you or nothing at all." when asked about how
to get to the backup reg in a hurry.

"Don't need one, that's for cave divers." when asked about no isolator

"So the guy at the fill station wont mess with it and turn it off for me."
when asked about the upside down isolator knob.

You can instantly ID any of Nadeau's or Weinberg's victims from across the
parking lot. Big ass IANTD stickers on everything. However, to tell what the
actual mix in the bottles is, you have to read what was written with a ball
point pen in a small space on the huge IANTD stickers.

Ask JJ how they got treated when he and Andrew went to Canada for the
Technical Diving conference (IANTD circle jerk).

Soon as they (the local IANTD cadre) heard you guys were coming to the Scuba
festival, they ran like scalded dogs. Within 1/2 hour of my posts that you
guys were coming, the phone started ringing at the organizers desk, warning
of impending doom if you guys were "allowed" to attend.

I wonder why they dont want to be seen on the same lawn with you guys?
(rhetorical)

Scott
  -----Original Message-----
  From: George Irvine [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:00 AM
  To: David E. Smith; David Sweetin
  Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
  Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question


  Dave, now that you have put out this piece of complete bullshit and in
your little mind successfully obfuscated the realities that actually go into
the thinking of manifold operation underwater in diving ( and there is no
way you do jack shit in diving ), why don't you go ahead an entertain us all
by telling us what kind of blithering idiot turns the isolator knob upside
down? Since you are such a big "expert" on valves, maybe you can tell us all
what this accomplishes, besides acting as a visible "tip of the iceberg"
warning to anyone who sees you that you are a complete stroke who has no
clue and is likely to act in a bad situation just as one could expect by
this kind of rabbits foot thinking?

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size=3D2>Bill Nadeau (spelling?) <SPAN =
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shit like this to a bunch of</SPAN> the IANTD victims he =
left=20
here in the PNW<SPAN class=3D290031214-19042001>.</SPAN> <SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>The </SPAN>upside down isolator bullshit, or =
they have=20
no isolator at all, just a cross bar. They also do shit like =
stuffed <SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>long</SPAN><SPAN class=3D290031214-19042001>=20
</SPAN>hoses, Trashpaks, double OMS 66's, <SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>OMS steel 46 bottles for stages, AL30 pony =
bottles hard=20
mounted between the dubs, </SPAN>etc.<SPAN =
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2>The reasons<SPAN class=3D290031214-19042001> (this is the stone =
truth,=20
direct quotes) provided by his students</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>:</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&l
t;/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nb
sp;</DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2>"I was taught in life guards school to never have anything=20
around <SPAN class=3D290031214-19042001>my</SPAN>
neck" <SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>as reason </SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D290031214-19042001>for=20
stuffing the long
hose.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nb
sp;</DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2>"You're getting the hose I give you or nothing at all."<SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001> when asked about how to get to the =
backup reg in=20
a hurry.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
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sp;</DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D290031214-19042001>"Don't need one, that's for =
cave divers."=20
when asked about no
isolator</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nb
sp;</DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D290031214-19042001>"So the guy at the fill =
station wont mess=20
with it and turn it off for me." when asked about the upside down =
isolator=20
knob.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D580415113-19042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2>You can instantly ID any of Nade<SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>a</SPAN>u's <SPAN =
class=3D290031214-19042001>or=20
Weinberg's </SPAN>victims from across the parking lot.<SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001> Big ass IANTD stickers on everything. =
However, to tell=20
what the actual mix in the bottles is, you have to read what was =
written=20
with a ball point pen in a small space on the huge IANTD=20
stickers.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D580415113-19042001><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
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size=3D2><SPAN =
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;FONT=20
face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D580415113-19042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>Ask JJ how they got treated when he and =
Andrew went to=20
Canada for the Technical Diving conference (IANTD circle=20
jerk).</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>Soon as they (the local IANTD =
cadre) heard you=20
guys were coming to the Scuba festival, they ran like scalded dogs. =
Within 1/2=20
hour of my posts that you guys were coming, the phone started =
ringing at=20
the organizers desk, warning of impending doom if you guys were =
"allowed" to=20
attend.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>I wonder why they dont want to be seen on the =
same lawn=20
with you guys? (rhetorical) </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D580415113-19042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415113-19042001><SPAN=20
class=3D290031214-19042001>Scott</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> George Irvine=20
  [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 18, 2001 =
4:00=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> David E. Smith; David
Sweetin<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
  techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating Manifold=20
  Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Dave, now that you have put out this piece of =
complete=20
  bullshit and in your little mind successfully obfuscated the realities =
that=20
  actually go into the thinking of manifold operation underwater in =
diving ( and=20
  there is no way you do jack shit in diving ), why don't you go ahead =
an=20
  entertain us all by telling us what kind of blithering idiot turns the =

  isolator knob upside down? Since you are such a big "expert" on =
valves, maybe=20
  you can tell us all what this accomplishes, besides acting as a =
visible "tip=20
  of the iceberg" warning to anyone who sees you that you are a complete =
stroke=20
  who has no clue and is likely to act in a bad situation just as one =
could=20
  expect by this kind of rabbits foot thinking?=20
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