This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C640.38C1B780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The isolator needs to be left open all the time. Several people have wasted their time explaining why while you put out this barrage of stupidity and argumentative bullshit. These people actually dive. I know them, I know how much they dive and how long they have been doing it and I know why they know what they are talking about. I also know why you do not - you do not do it. If you have nothing to say, and so far you have had nothing to say but crap, shut the fuck up. While some desperate stroke may cling to the empty logic of you lack of knowledge and experience, anyone with any level of common sense and certainly anyone who has any experience or can see the true risks in this sport will be better convinced of how stupid it is to do some of these things once they see how shallow the reasoning is that supports that thinking. Nothing ever changes on here. -----Original Message----- From: David E. Smith [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:52 PM To: Trey; Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question If you were to tell me that you weren't smart enough to make sure your isolator was open prior to mixing, then I WOULD tell you, "You are not smart enough." I am willing to bet you would not tell me that. So I am willing to bet you are smart enough. I am not sure what IANTD has to do with THIS conversation. dsmith218@ho*.co* ICQ# 25409809 Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver -----Original Message----- From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:30 PM To: David E. Smith; Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question Dave, are you telling me I am not smart enough to gas dive? Give it a rest, pal, you have no earthly clue. NONE. Take a seat. You don't get it and neither does IANTD, obviously. Making a mixing error or a valve setting error is a death sentence for diver and or buddy, and is a function of doing stupid things and following mindless practices like this that have no purpose what so ever other than to satisfy some ridiculous paranoia. This stupidity has all downside and no upside. -----Original Message----- From: David E. Smith [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:42 PM To: Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question I would like to personally thank Phi Lee for being so smart as to catch the "subtle" difference between 2 half turns and 1 full turn. I realize that I as a mere mortal can not turn a valve behind my head a complete revolution without dislocating my wrist. Apparently he can. Thank you for posting yet another useful message in the never ending "concentrate on the minutia instead of the content post" mentality. Also, not related to Phi's post, It seems to me that the how one would want a manifold isolator positioned for mixing gas is COMPLETELY separate from the discussion of how you would want to position it for diving. If you are not intelligent to be able to position an isolator for mixing gas, you probably shouldn't be mixing in the first place! dsmith218@ho*.co* ICQ# 25409809 Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver -----Original Message----- From: Phi Le [mailto:phi@sk*.be*] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:15 AM To: adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question Adrian, Do you think it would work with 1 full turn, or must it be *exactly* 2 half turns ? -Phi -----Original Message----- From: adrian scothern [mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:38 PM To: adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question Well, i've been diving with the ISO two half turns , since having a twin set!, and proberley 3/4 OF Europe dive's The BullShit Paranoia Way, I'm Sorry that i've No Idea about Diving OH DEMI GOD OF THE UNDERWATER WORLD -- Original Message ----- From: George Irvine To: adrian scothern ; Chris Tibble ; techdiver-aquanaut.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question And what bullshit paranoia do you attribute the "two half turns " to? This is the kind of mindless crap that gets people killed. I will say right here and now that you can come up with no reason to do something that stupid that makes any sense what so ever. Give it a try. ----- Original Message ----- From: adrian scothern To: Chris Tibble ; techdiver-aquanaut.com Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question I have the ISO two half turn's on, and I think the key is to , Know your kit inside out, I've sat in the dark , in full kit for over 30 hours ,every new bit of kit , i go through the same process, and Do know my current config Insideout , the wife finds this highly amusing if/when she walks in . same goe's for inwater training dives . ady ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Tibble To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Isolating Manifold Question Just a quickie. I'm just about to buy my first twinset with a manifold. I've dived twins before, independents because of fiscal reasons (I'm a poor student!) What I need to know is this. Some of the people I have talked to who dive manis only open their iso knob about 1/2 a turn, whilst others open it all the way. Thinking about it I can see advantages and disadvantages to both: All the way Adv: No risk of turning wrong way Disadv: May get stuck if turned on all way Have to turn it 3 turns (or whatever) Part way Adv: V fast way of isolating Disadv: Can turn it the wrong way Not having it open all the way may limit equalisation across the manifold. Now any or all of this may be unmitigated rubbish, but it's just what I was thinking about last night. Any comments/suggestions as to how best to do it? As this is my first post, go easy on me - I'm still learning! Many thanks, Chris -- It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C640.38C1B780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D210383410-16042001>The=20 isolator needs to be left open all the time. Several people have wasted = their=20 time explaining why while you put out this barrage of stupidity and=20 argumentative bullshit. These people actually dive. I know them, I know = how much=20 they dive and how long they have been doing it and I know why they know = what=20 they are talking about.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D210383410-16042001>I also=20 know why you do not - you do not do it. If you have nothing to say, = and so=20 far you have had nothing to say but crap, shut the fuck up. = </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D210383410-16042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D210383410-16042001>While=20 some desperate stroke may cling to the empty logic of you lack of = knowledge and=20 experience, anyone with any level of common sense and certainly anyone = who has=20 any experience or can see the true risks in this sport will be better = convinced=20 of how stupid it is to do some of these things once they see how = shallow=20 the reasoning is that supports that thinking.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D210383410-16042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D210383410-16042001>Nothing ever changes on here. = </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David E. Smith=20 [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 15, 2001 = 10:52=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trey; Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine;=20 techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating = Manifold=20 Question<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D300004902-16042001>If you=20 were to tell me that you weren't smart enough to make sure your = isolator was=20 open prior to mixing, then I WOULD tell you, "You are not smart = enough." =20 I am willing to bet you would not tell me that. So I am willing = to bet=20 you are smart enough. I am not sure what IANTD has to do with = THIS=20 conversation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=3D4><FONT color=3D#808000=20 face=3D"Lucida Handwriting">dsmith218@ho*.co*<BR></FONT><FONT = color=3D#000080=20 face=3DTahoma>ICQ# 25409809</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D"Monotype Corsiva" size=3D4>Moderation = is for the=20 poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver<BR> = </FONT></P> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Trey=20 [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:30=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> David E. Smith; Phi Le; adrian scothern; George = Irvine;=20 techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating = Manifold=20 Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D320572323-15042001>Dave, are you telling me I am not smart = enough to gas=20 dive? Give it a rest, pal, you have no earthly clue. NONE. Take a = seat. You=20 don't get it and neither does IANTD, obviously. Making a mixing = error or=20 a valve setting error is a death sentence for diver and or buddy, and = is=20 a function of doing stupid things and following mindless = practices like=20 this that have no purpose what so ever other than to satisfy some = ridiculous=20 paranoia. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D320572323-15042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN = class=3D320572323-15042001>This=20 stupidity has all downside and no upside.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D320572323-15042001></SPAN><FONT face=3DTahoma = size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D320572323-15042001><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial=20 size=3D4> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D320572323-15042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D320572323-15042001> </SPAN>-----Original=20 Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David E. Smith=20 [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, 2001 = 11:42=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine;=20 techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating = Manifold=20 Question<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>I would=20 like to personally thank Phi Lee for being so smart as to=20 catch</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>the=20 "subtle" difference between 2 half turns and 1 full turn. I = realize=20 that</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>I as a=20 mere mortal can not turn a valve behind my head a complete=20 revolution</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>without=20 dislocating my wrist. Apparently he can. Thank you for=20 posting</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>yet=20 another useful message in the never ending "concentrate on=20 the</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>minutia=20 instead of the content post" mentality.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20 class=3D480533203-14042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>Also,=20 not related to Phi's post, It seems to me that the how one = would=20 want</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>a=20 manifold isolator positioned for mixing gas is </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>COMPLETELY separate=20 from the</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20 class=3D480533203-14042001>discussion of how you would want to = position it for=20 diving. If you are not</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20 class=3D480533203-14042001>intelligent to be able to position an = isolator for=20 mixing gas, you probably shouldn't</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN = class=3D480533203-14042001>be=20 mixing in the first place!</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT size=3D4><FONT color=3D#808000=20 face=3D"Lucida Handwriting">dsmith218@ho*.co*<BR></FONT><FONT = color=3D#000080=20 face=3DTahoma>ICQ# 25409809</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D"Monotype Corsiva" = size=3D4>Moderation is for the=20 poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver<BR> =20 </FONT></P> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Phi Le=20 [mailto:phi@sk*.be*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, 2001 9:15=20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> adrian scothern; George Irvine; = techdiver-aquanaut.com;=20 Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating Manifold=20 Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D530011313-13042001>Adrian,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D530011313-13042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D530011313-13042001>Do=20 you think it would work with 1 full turn, or must it be = *exactly* 2=20 half turns ?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D530011313-13042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D530011313-13042001>-Phi</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> adrian = scothern=20 [mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April = 13, 2001=20 12:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> adrian scothern; George Irvine;=20 techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = Isolating=20 Manifold Question<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, i've been diving = with the ISO=20 two half turns , since having a twin set!, and proberley = 3/4 OF=20 Europe dive's The BullShit Paranoia Way, I'm Sorry that = i've No=20 Idea about Diving OH DEMI GOD OF THE UNDERWATER WORLD =20 </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*" = title=3Dkirvine@sa*.ne*>George=20 Irvine</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*"=20 title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*>adrian scothern</A> ; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*"=20 title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*>Chris Tibble</A> ; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, = 2001=20 11:19 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating = Manifold=20 Question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D4>And what bullshit paranoia do you = attribute the "two=20 half turns " to? This is the kind of mindless crap that = gets=20 people killed. I will say right here and now that you can come = up with=20 no reason to do something that stupid that makes any sense = what so=20 ever. Give it a try.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*"=20 title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*>adrian scothern</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*"=20 title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*>Chris Tibble</A> ; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April = 12, 2001=20 7:04 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = Isolating Manifold=20 Question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have the ISO two = half turn's on,=20 and I think the key is to , <STRONG>Know your kit inside=20 out</STRONG>, I've sat in the dark , in full kit for over 30 = hours=20 ,every new bit of kit , i go through the same process, and = Do know=20 my current config Insideout , the wife finds = this=20 highly amusing if/when she walks in . same goe's for inwater = training dives .</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ady</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message = ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; = font-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*"=20 title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*>Chris Tibble</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, = April 12,=20 2001 6:28 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Isolating = Manifold=20 Question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a quickie. I'm just = about to buy=20 my first twinset with a manifold. I've dived twins before, = independents because of fiscal reasons (I'm a poor = student!) What=20 I need to know is this. Some of the people I have talked = to who=20 dive manis only open their iso knob about 1/2 a turn, = whilst=20 others open it all the way. Thinking about it I can see = advantages=20 and disadvantages to both:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the way</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adv: =20 No risk of turning wrong = way</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disadv: = May get=20 stuck if turned on all way</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> = =20 Have to turn it 3 = turns (or=20 whatever)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part way</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adv: =20 V fast way of isolating</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disadv: = Can turn it=20 the wrong way </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2> &nbs= p; Not=20 having it open all the way may limit equalisation across = the=20 manifold.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now any or all of this = may be=20 unmitigated rubbish, but it's just what I was thinking = about last=20 night.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any comments/suggestions = as to how=20 best to do it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As this is my first post, = go easy on=20 me - I'm still learning!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It takes a big man to = cry, but it=20 takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.<BR></DIV> = <DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO CKQUOTE></BLOC= KQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C640.38C1B780-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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