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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:45:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Brown <hokiediver@ya*.co*>
Subject: Problems solved by technology WAS: Bizarre Mares buckle at BTS
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
It seems today that people want to throw technology at
problems rather than thought.  There are areas where
automation/technology might be considered good by
some.  Example: airline industry.  Number one cause of
mishaps is pilot error.  Pilots are highly trained
operators.  

Perhaps the modern business/marketing executive can't
understand that not every problem needs to be solved
with a product.

In the USA, I think people are calling this the
dumbing down of America.  Disorganized?  Get a Palm
Pilot.  Out of touch?  Get a cell phone.  Don't know
the answer?  Ask a computer.

The Saturn rocket (most powerful machine made by man)
was designed with a slide rule and without flight
testing or prototypes.  The Space Shuttle was designed
with a slide rule.  These people were THINKING.

Chris

--- Simon L Hartley <shartley@sc*.ed*.au*> wrote:
> At 11:05 27/03/2001 -0500, Steve
> <s_lindblom@co*.co*> wrote:
> >You know, if this was some two bit company or
> inventor with a bright idea
> >who rented a table a BTS with dreams of getting
> rich it would be one thing,
> >but the fact that it's a major dive gear
> manufacturer, and that they damn
> >thing must have gone through many levels of testing
> an scrutiny from both
> >design staff and management before actually making
> it into production, and
> >none one noticed what a convoluted, unecessary POS
> it was, is a genuinely
> >scary comment on the state of the dive industry (as
> if we need another!).
> 
> Yep plenty of solutions around looking for a problem
>  :-)    Or perhaps
> looking to create a problem.
> 
> There's definately a mindset in the rec (and tech?)
> community that money
> and technology need to be thrown at every problem
> (from dealing with high
> air consumption to keeping your tank from coming
> loose).  Rather than
> attacking the underlying problem.  Don't have enough
> air/bottom time,
> improve your air consumption.  Tank keeps coming
> loose, tighten it properly
> before the dive.  Can't understand the tables,
> learn.  Dive companies,
> shops, magazines, etc just pander to this and
> there-by promote the mindset.
>  After all it's in their interest to keep
> reinventing the wheel.  I don't
> know if this is really even a conscious thing,
> afterall the folks in the
> industry are either subject to the same mindset or
> not divers at all (I
> can't believe whoever sewed the pocket on the front
> of my wetsuit has ever
> worn a wetsuit).  
> 
> >Especially considering you just don't need it -
> Scubapro has had a darn
> >near perfect buckle for years now, and, while SP
> has a patent on it, the
> >principles just aren't that unique or exotic that
> that everyone else
> >couldn't have something just as good, if they'd
> just make the effort and
> >spend the extra dollar or two over those damn
> plastic camloks.
> >
> >Come to think of it, Halcyon is supposed to have a
> new SS cam buckle -
> >anyone tried one?
> 
> I had the Scubapro buckle on my old jacket style
> BC's (stab jackets).  I
> certainly loved it at the time but there were
> definate problems (tricky to
> adjust correctly if you needed to swap tanks between
> dives, the potential
> to jam shut if struck hard, could entangle lines (in
> a location you can't
> access without removing your gear, had this happen).
>  Definately reliable
> from my experience though (never had one come loose
> during a dive).  
> 
> I have no complaints with the plastic cams I got
> with my single tank
> adapter and wings.  If anything I prefer them now to
> the Scubapro type
> mounting system.  I can adjust easily for different
> tank diameters and I've
> never had the cams come loose on a dive or snag
> anything (there are two on
> the STA so a backup if one did come loose).  I think
> the problem many
> people have with tanks coming loose is due to poor
> technique...
> 
> 1) Not tightening the cams correctly before the
> dive.  Unthreading the
> strap from the last hole, pulling the strap tight,
> applying tension and
> then rethreading the strap and pulling into place.
> 
> 2) Leaving those stupid rubber friction pads the
> manufacturers put on in
> place.  Often prevent the cam sitting properly
> making them more likely to
> come open on the dive.
> 
> Having said that they are plastic and I have seen
> lots of broken cams.  I
> saw an aluminium cam (not sure who makes them) the
> other day and stainless
> would be more durable.  Not sure if there'd be other
> issues.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Simon
> 
> Simon L Hartley
> RSM Website Coordinator\First Year Course
> Coordinator
> Associate Lecturer
> School of Resource Science and Management
> Southern Cross University
> P.O. Box 157
> Lismore NSW, Australia 2480
> Ph: (02) 66203251 or (61 66) 203 251
> Fax:(02) 66212669
> E-mail: shartley@sc*.ed*.au*
> 
>
http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/rsm/staff/pages/shartley/
> 
> http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/rsm/
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