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--0-719885386-984586500=:7251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes scuba industry and diving equipment came long ways from 1970�s. So did the training agencies with their moron instructors and lack of training standards. You are a typical PADI brainless propaganda puppet. I don�t give a shit if you are MSDT. It does not impress me. It means shit. Question is do you have the necessary skills and ability to teach diving? This is where we have a difference off opinion. I stand against the agencies bull shit to lower the standards to produce instructors and impressive sounding worthless titles. Pass these morons regardless of their skills and teaching ability to gain market share. Typical response from a PADI instrictor �I am a PADI MSDT Instructor�. Un fortunately for you, your MSDT means shit to people who have been around diving. Thanks to your moron colleagues and your PADI Agency. I have been involved with many IE�s and IDC�s. In the last few years I have seen so many morons pass IE regardless of their ability it is sad. Think what PADI teaches you during IDC. They drill you with these statements �By the end of this session�� Promote continuing education for your next class. �You all did a great job however�..� Do these statements ring a bell? It is a joke. You can read from your slate during pool, your lectures are written by the CD and handed for your to read. You get to see all the written exams during IDC. Every one is passed unless they do something real stupid. If one fails, no worries they will pass on the second time around. After that, pay and get a new title. May be they should go back to macho/militaristic training see how many fat slob moron instructors would pass the test? Wakeup man these dumb morons are teaching life saving skills. What is scarier now they are going to teach tech diving. Here is another dumb morons story this guy who barely made it trough the IE on his second time. (I would not dive with this idiot in the pool let alone open water) Then he went to Our World Under Water in Chicago and attended a seminar became an IANTD Nitrox instructor. He had no clue what Nitrox was. Then he sends $10 or 15 to TDI by mail and become a TDI Nitrox instructor. No skills, no clue, but impressive resume. There are great instructors out there cross all training agencies. To me this is the ultimate insult to all good instructors regardless of agency who worked hard on their skills and material, care about quality and safety of their students. I think this subject is beaten few times. My worry is these morons barely have the ability to teach sport diving now they are teaching tech-diving and killing more people in the process. Forcing the good government to step in and regulate diving or gases we use. It all boils down to greed morons and money!!! Cheers Adam --- kevin.obrien03@us*.cg*.co* wrote > > Adam -- your anti-PADI prejudice is obvious, but let's just discuss > some > reality. And I'll be up front and tell you that I am a PADI MSDT, > been > diving since 1972 (but don't have PADI on my underwear). When I > first > learned to dive, diving and dive instructors were very > macho/militaristic. > Probably not a bad thing considering the state of dive gear at the > time. > No BC's, no SPG's, fairly crude regs compared to today. The emphasis > on > strength and endurance, ditch & don, blow & go, etc. was more > appropriate > for the conditions then. But that limited the sport to the macho > few. > > As gear improved, it became possible for more people to participate > in > diving. PADI and other agencies adapted to the market. In fact, it > can be > argued that bringing a lot more participants into diving enabled the > gear > manufacturers to develop better gear, which enabled more divers, > which > enabled better gear, and so on. Gear that we all now depend on for > more > aggressive diving. However, there is an important point which is > missing > from some of these emails. MOST divers do not want to tech dive. > MOST > divers want to enjoy the sport above 90-100 ft., feel safe, be warm, > have > great vis, etc. That may not be what you want to do, but that's > reality. > Keep in mind that PADI is an organization that probably has done more > to > promote diving than any other group. So, before attacking PADI, you > should remind yourself that the quality of instruction still comes > down to > the instructor. After all, when you were taught to drive, you > probably > were taught to obey the speed limits, but perhaps ... > > Good diving -- KOB. > --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-719885386-984586500=:7251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Yes scuba industry and diving equipment came long ways from 1970�s. So did the training agencies with their moron instructors and lack of training standards. You are a typical PADI brainless propaganda puppet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don�t give a shit if you are MSDT. It does not impress me. It means shit. Question is do you have the necessary skills and ability to teach diving? This is where we have a difference off opinion. I stand against the agencies bull shit to lower the standards to produce instructors and impressive sounding worthless titles. Pass these morons regardless of their skills and teaching ability to gain market share. Typical response from a PADI instrictor �I am a PADI MSDT Instructor�. Un fortunately for you, your MSDT means shit to people who have been around diving. Thanks to your moron colleagues and your PADI Agency.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have been involved with many IE�s and IDC�s. In the last few years I have seen so many morons pass IE regardless of their ability it is sad. Think what PADI teaches you during IDC. They drill you with these statements �By the end of this session�� Promote continuing education for your next class. �You all did a great job however�..� Do these statements ring a bell?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a joke. You can read from your slate during pool, your lectures are written by the CD and handed for your to read. You get to see all the written exams during IDC. Every one is passed unless they do something real stupid. If one fails, no worries they will pass on the second time around. After that, pay and get a new title. May be they should go back to macho/militaristic training see how many fat slob moron instructors would pass the test? Wakeup man these dumb morons are teaching life saving skills. What is scarier now they are going to teach tech diving. Here is another dumb morons story this guy who barely made it trough the IE on his second time. (I would not dive with this idiot in the pool let alone open water) Then he went to Our World Under Water in Chicago and attended a seminar became an IANTD Nitrox instructor. He had no clue what Nitrox was. Then he sends $10 or 15 to TDI by mail and become a TDI Nitrox instructor. No skills, no clue, but impressive resume. There are great instructors out there cross all training agencies. To me this is the ultimate insult to all good instructors regardless of agency who worked hard on their skills and material, care about quality and safety of their students. I think this subject is beaten few times. My worry is these morons barely have the ability to teach sport diving now they are teaching tech-diving and killing more people in the process. Forcing the good government to step in and regulate diving or gases we use. It all boils down to greed morons and money!!!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Adam<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR>--- kevin.obrien03@us*.cg*.co* wrote <BR>> <BR>> Adam -- your anti-PADI prejudice is obvious, but let's just discuss <BR>> some <BR>> reality. And I'll be up front and tell you that I am a PADI MSDT, <BR>> been <BR>> diving since 1972 (but don't have PADI on my underwear). When I <BR>> first <BR>> learned to dive, diving and dive instructors were very <BR>> macho/militaristic. <BR>> Probably not a bad thing considering the state of dive gear at the <BR>> time. <BR>> No BC's, no SPG's, fairly crude regs compared to today. The emphasis <BR>> on <BR>> strength and endurance, ditch & don, blow & go, etc. was more <BR>> appropriate <BR>> for the conditions then. But that limited the sport to the macho <BR>> few. <BR>> <BR>> As gear improved, it became possible for more people to participate <BR>> in <BR>> diving. PADI and other agencies adapted to the market. In fact, it <BR>> can be <BR>> argued that bringing a lot more participants into diving enabled the <BR>> gear <BR>> manufacturers to develop better gear, which enabled more divers, <BR>> which <BR>> enabled better gear, and so on. Gear that we all now depend on for <BR>> more <BR>> aggressive diving. However, there is an important point which is <BR>> missing <BR>> from some of these emails. MOST divers do not want to tech dive. <BR>> MOST <BR>> divers want to enjoy the sport above 90-100 ft., feel safe, be warm, <BR>> have <BR>> great vis, etc. That may not be what you want to do, but that's <BR>> reality. <BR>> Keep in mind that PADI is an organization that probably has done more <BR>> to <BR>> promote diving than any other group. So, before attacking PADI, you <BR>> should remind yourself that the quality of instruction still comes <BR>> down to <BR>> the instructor. After all, when you were taught to drive, you <BR>> probably <BR>> were taught to obey the speed limits, but perhaps ... <BR>> <BR>> Good diving -- KOB. <BR>> <BR><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> <a href=http://auctions.yahoo.com>Yahoo! Auctions</a> - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-719885386-984586500=:7251-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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