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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0A328.FC0550C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam, the issue with zippers is simple. Although remote, the = possibility for failure exists, and in several areas. Zippers can jam. = Teeth can get deformed, debris can be introduced during the dive. = Zipper pulls can come off. Zippers are awkward to open and close around = the corners of the typical square pocket. Maintaining a zipper can help = reduce the risk of failure, but it cannot absolutely eliminate it. It is completely impossible to cause a velcro pocket to fail in a manner = that would preclude you from getting at the safety gear inside. Whether = you maintain it or not, whether it gets dirty during the dive, whether = half the damn thing gets ripped off or not, you will never be prevented = from getting at your spools, etc. If the velcro fails in a manner that = doesn't keep the pocket securely closed (which is entirely possible, = although highly unlikely with a minimum of maintenance-if it's not = sticking-replace it) It's a moot point. All of your safety gear should = be clipped off inside the pocket anyway. You won't lose anything, and = you don't have to accept the risk of possible zipper failure. It's kind = of like the downstream vs upstream regulator issue-the velcro pocket = fails safe. The zipper pocket fails in a way that can complicate any = number of already bad situations. =20 Just because a drunk driver gets away with driving drunk thousands of = times without incident, does that mean what he's doing is safe? Just = because your zippers have never failed before, does that mean that they = won't ever fail, and at the worst possible time? Why accept unnecessary = risk?? =20 Dive Safe, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Adam <deepwrecks@ya*.co*> To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: DUI CLX VS TLS >Bullshit. It takes a grain of sand or a piece of shell debris to jam = a zip. You can pick that up and get a jam from it during a dive.=20 Billyw, Lets be realistic here a grain of sand or a piece of shell??? = DUI has heavy-duty zippers. If you neglect cleaning it for a long time I = must agree you will encounter problems. If you can - think over the = years how many different kinds of equipment had functional zippers on = them both tech or non-tech. BC=92s, boots, gloves, suits, both OMS and = Dive Right have utility pockets with zippers. Halcyon has zippers on = their BC=92s. Point is as long as you properly maintain your equipment = just like everything else zippers will function properly.=20 >IF Velcro deteriorates, it doesn't happen instantly. It gets slack = first. And guess what, Einstein, that's when you replace it.=20 You don=92t have to be Einstein to agree to that point. The day you = realize your Velcro is slacking is the day you loose peace of equipment. = Years ago Viking had Velcro closures on their pockets. Then they = switched to combination of Velcro, 1 inch webbing and plastic quick = connect. Guess why they did that? Himm!!! May be Velcro was not holding = the contents of the pocket.=20 >Are you saying that because you've had no problem with your zip = pocket so far, you never will and no-one else will either?=20 Why don=92t you read what I wrote! Instead of manipulating what you = see. All I wrote was - I had no problems with the zippers. At no point I = said I would not have problems. Not that it maters I would type it = slowly for you so you can understand easy. My point is - One could = eliminate potential equipment problems if one properly maintains their = equipment. This includes all zippers on the dry suit.=20 >What, about medium breasts?=20 What about it? I have trouble understanding the relation ship between = medium breasts and pockets unless you keep your medium breasts in your = Velcro pockets. And last point. Please keep your childish empty comments = to your self. I don=92t know why you feel you need to insult or flame. = Maybe because you have noting to say, or maybe you have nothing between = your ears.=20 Cheers!=20 Adam=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with = Yahoo! Mail. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0A328.FC0550C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#c0c0c0> <DIV>Adam, the issue with zippers is simple. Although remote, the=20 possibility for failure exists, and in several areas. Zippers can=20 jam. Teeth can get deformed, debris can be introduced during the=20 dive. Zipper pulls can come off. Zippers are awkward to open = and=20 close around the corners of the typical square pocket. Maintaining = a=20 zipper can help reduce the risk of failure, but it cannot absolutely = eliminate=20 it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is completely impossible to cause a velcro pocket to fail in a = manner=20 that would preclude you from getting at the safety gear inside. = Whether=20 you maintain it or not, whether it gets dirty during the dive, whether = half the=20 damn thing gets ripped off or not, you will never be prevented from = getting at=20 your spools, etc. If the velcro fails in a manner that = doesn't keep=20 the pocket securely closed (which is entirely possible, although highly = unlikely=20 with a minimum of maintenance-if it's not sticking-replace it) It's a = moot=20 point. All of your safety gear should be clipped off inside the = pocket=20 anyway. You won't lose anything, and you don't have to accept the = risk of=20 possible zipper failure. It's kind of like the downstream vs = upstream=20 regulator issue-the velcro pocket fails safe. The zipper pocket = fails in a=20 way that can complicate any number of already bad situations. = </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just because a drunk driver gets away with driving drunk thousands = of times=20 without incident, does that mean what he's doing is safe? Just = because=20 your zippers have never failed before, does that mean that they won't = ever fail,=20 and at the worst possible time? Why accept unnecessary = risk?? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dive Safe,</DIV> <DIV>Duane</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B></B></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B></B></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original = Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20 </B>Adam <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:deepwrecks@ya*.co*">deepwrecks@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B>T = o:=20 </B>techdiver <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>><BR>= <B>Date:=20 </B>Friday, March 02, 2001 12:40 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>DUI CLX VS=20 TLS<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>>Bullshit. It takes a grain of sand or a = piece of=20 shell debris to jam a zip. You can pick that up and get a jam from it = during a=20 dive. <BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Billyw, Lets be realistic = here a=20 grain of sand or a piece of shell??? DUI has heavy-duty zippers. If = you=20 neglect cleaning it for a long time I must agree you will encounter = problems.=20 If you can - think over the years how many different kinds of = equipment had=20 functional zippers on them both tech or non-tech. BC=92s, boots, = gloves, suits,=20 both OMS and Dive Right have utility pockets with zippers. Halcyon has = zippers=20 on their BC=92s. Point is as long as you properly maintain your = equipment just=20 like everything else zippers will function properly. = <BR><BR></FONT>>IF=20 Velcro deteriorates, it doesn't happen instantly. It gets slack first. = And=20 guess what, Einstein, that's when you replace it. <BR><BR><FONT=20 face=3D"Comic Sans MS">You don=92t have to be Einstein to agree to = that point. The=20 day you realize your Velcro is slacking is the day you loose peace of=20 equipment. Years ago Viking had Velcro closures on their pockets. Then = they=20 switched to combination of Velcro, 1 inch webbing and plastic quick = connect.=20 Guess why they did that? Himm!!! May be Velcro was not holding the = contents of=20 the pocket. <BR><BR></FONT>>Are you saying that because you've had = no=20 problem with your zip pocket so far, you never will and no-one else = will=20 either? <BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Why don=92t you read what = I wrote!=20 Instead of manipulating what you see. All I wrote was - I had no = problems with=20 the zippers. At no point I said I would not have problems. Not that it = maters=20 I would type it slowly for you so you can understand easy. My point is = - One=20 could eliminate potential equipment problems if one properly maintains = their=20 equipment. This includes all zippers on the dry suit. = <BR><BR></FONT>>What,=20 about medium breasts? <BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">What about = it? I have=20 trouble understanding the relation ship between medium breasts and = pockets=20 unless you keep your medium breasts in your Velcro pockets. And last = point.=20 Please keep your childish empty comments to your self. I don=92t know = why you=20 feel you need to insult or flame. Maybe because you have noting to = say, or=20 maybe you have nothing between your ears. <BR>Cheers! <BR>Adam = <BR></FONT> <P><BR> <HR SIZE=3D1> <B>Do You Yahoo!?</B><BR><A=20 href=3D"http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dmailiyfoot">Yahoo! = Mail Personal=20 Address</A> - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo!=20 Mail.</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0A328.FC0550C0-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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