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From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:36:19 EST
Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question
To: dthiesfeld@su*.ne*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com

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Hi David,

I'm sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water, so to speak.  When we rate th=
e=20
size of tanks, we rate them in terms of "Standard cuft." of gas.  One=20
stdcuft. is one cuft. of gas at standard temperature and pressure (close to=20
room temperature and 14.7 psi. absolute.)

For you to try to explain why the air filling a 104 cuft. tank weighs less=20
than the air filling an 80 cuft. tank, is kind of like your explaining how=20
you built a perpetual motion machine, how you solved the problems of world=20
poverty and how you cured all forms of cancer last week.  It's going to be a=
=20
real hard sell.

Take care and dive safe,       Scott

Some weeks it's just not worth gnawing through the restraints and scrambling=
=20
up out of the pit.


In a message dated 2/23/2001 11:07:35 p.m. Hora est=E1ndar de EE.UU. O,=20
dthiesfeld@su*.ne* writes:
>=20
> Rob,
> No, and neither does the tank charts.
>=20
> The tank charts are not telling you the physical weight of the air inside
> them, only what the buoyancy characteristics are. When you start
> pressurizing air in different sized fixed containers at different pressure=
s
> things do not remain linear.
>=20
> Remember the 104 contains it air in a different sized container and at a
> lower pressure than the 80 does. You have to look at Archimedes's Principa=
l:
> " Any object wholly or partly immersed in a fluid is buoyed up by a force
> equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object."  The key is how
> much water the tank physically displaces because of its physical size and
> weight, with and without the air.
>=20
> A cubic ft. of air may weigh .08 lbs, but that's at atmospheric pressure
> (sea level). You change the pressure (as in putting the air in a tank) and
> the weight of that cubic ft. of air is going to change. The change is
> governed by the physical size of the container and what the pressure is.
>=20
> DT

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3D2>Hi David,
<BR>
<BR>I'm sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water, so to speak.  When w=
e rate the=20
<BR>size of tanks, we rate them in terms of "Standard cuft." of gas.  O=
ne=20
<BR>stdcuft. is one cuft. of gas at standard temperature and pressure (close=
 to=20
<BR>room temperature and 14.7 psi. absolute.)
<BR>
<BR>For you to try to explain why the air filling a 104 cuft. tank weighs le=
ss=20
<BR>than the air filling an 80 cuft. tank, is kind of like your explaining h=
ow=20
<BR>you built a perpetual motion machine, how you solved the problems of wor=
ld=20
<BR>poverty and how you cured all forms of cancer last week.  It's goin=
g to be a=20
<BR>real hard sell.
<BR>
<BR>Take care and dive safe,       Scott
<BR>
<BR>Some weeks it's just not worth gnawing through the restraints and scramb=
ling=20
<BR>up out of the pit.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 2/23/2001 11:07:35 p.m. Hora est=E1ndar de EE.UU.
O,=20
<BR>dthiesfeld@su*.ne* writes:
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>Rob,
<BR>No, and neither does the tank charts.
<BR>
<BR>The tank charts are not telling you the physical weight of the air insid=
e
<BR>them, only what the buoyancy characteristics are. When you start
<BR>pressurizing air in different sized fixed containers at different pressu=
res
<BR>things do not remain linear.
<BR>
<BR>Remember the 104 contains it air in a different sized container and at a
<BR>lower pressure than the 80 does. You have to look at Archimedes's Princi=
pal:
<BR>" Any object wholly or partly immersed in a fluid is buoyed up by a forc=
e
<BR>equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object."  The key=
 is how
<BR>much water the tank physically displaces because of its physical size an=
d
<BR>weight, with and without the air.
<BR>
<BR>A cubic ft. of air may weigh .08 lbs, but that's at atmospheric pressure
<BR>(sea level). You change the pressure (as in putting the air in a tank) a=
nd
<BR>the weight of that cubic ft. of air is going to change. The change is
<BR>governed by the physical size of the container and what the pressure is.
<BR>
<BR>DT</FONT></HTML>

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