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At 10:06 PM 2/22/01 -0500, Don Burke wrote: >From: William Hulik <whulik@ya*.co*> > > > What I was railing against was using PST 104's for > > ocean boat diving. These tanks are seriously too > > heavy to consider. I'm sure some people dive them and > > swear by them. > >JT has 104s and seems to like them. He isn't the sort that does things for >the heck of it, so I'm going to pick his brain on the subject the next time >I see him. I generally try to stay out of these kinds of post, but since my name keeps popping up and I feel I should at least explain why I use 104's. First, I also have a set of LP Faber 95's, I like them and they work for most dives above 280ft, I have used them on dives to 350ft, but found that when things go south for even a short period of time gas consumption increases and the safety factor is not there. 95's are also short, without boots they are hard to get into the harness and you have to slide down and then up into the rig, same for getting out of when diving off a boat. They weigh ALMOST as much as the 104's, how can that be you say, because I have a Vee weight in them, so I don't need a weight belt or some other bullshit attachment. The 104's I like the best for long or very deep dives, the gas is there should I need it, it is easy to get into the harness as the height is just right without the boots. The rig is over all very balanced, I feel like part of the rig. They are heavy as hell moving around, I use a hand truck if it is far, you will not find a better balanced set of doubles than the 104's. I totally dive dry now and use alum stages, I have no problem getting off the bottom even beyond 400ft, I will never wear a rig that even gives me the option to ditch weight to get up, not being able to do my required stops on those dives would kill me popping to the surface. I have other options to get up and maintain proper depth for my stops. Don, I know you are working on a learning curve to progress at a safe pace, I agree with that mind set. Once you have gained the experience to ease your mind on this subject and purchased a drysuit (which you need here anyway)and suitable doubles, your gonna wish this list didn't have an archive. ;-) > Those things weigh over 100 pounds full and there must be a >reason he uses them. > >I suspect I would be pretty heavy with 104s and a steel backplate. > >There are guys who come around here and dive double 125s and I don't do that >either. >Most can't get back on the boat by themselves. :) > > > I'd rather take a set of PST HP100. > > Same dry weight as al80's and 1.0 neg empty > > (comparable to the Faber 95's but a touch lighter dry > > weight) > >I'm looking at 112s. >Quite a bit more gas and just a little more weight on the boat. >The folks around here don't like HP tanks. >I don't know why, but will before I lay down the plastic. > > > As for tank charts, yes I've seen a few and none have > > exactly the same numbers. However they all (at least > > the one's I've seen) are within a pound or 2 of each > > other (probably one lists the weight without the valve > > vs with the valve) > >It wouldn't surprise me to find some included a boot. >Probably the phase of the moon gets into it as well. :) > >Thanks for the exchange. > >Don > > >Shop online without a credit card >http://www.rocketcash.com >RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co* -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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