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From: "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Fw: Creatine
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:31:36 -0500

> That is dehydrotestosterone, not testosterone, and sex causes testosterone
> to be released, and the guys with the tits are the fat slobs who produce
too
> much estrogen, or aromatize the testosterone they do produce , a reaction
> that is more likely in fatsos. Dyhydrotestosterone also causes baldness,
and
> can be blocked or its receptor sites blocked by some sterols, like what is
> found in saw palmetto.
>
> The guys who get prostate cancer are not only generally older, they are
> producing less testosterone, and more dehydrotestosterone, which also
causes
> such nice things as plaque on the arteries due to hdl/ldl reversals and
> generally higher cholesterol, and then the fatosos who are in this boat
> generally do not sleep deeply without stopping breathing, so they produce
> little hgh, and that gets them fatter and so on and so forth.
>
> The best fix? Exercise.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Greenhouse [mailto:b.greenhouse@ut*.ca*]
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: Creatine
>
>
> George:
>
>     Jsut because it's a natural substance doesn't mean it's not dangerous
in
> non-natural doses.  Testosterone is natural, but increases the risk of
> prostate
> cancer when present at high normal doses over a long period of time.  Mind
> you,
> I also read that men who have sex more than three times a week have a
lower
> probability of getting breast cancer (rare in men already) than men who
have
> sex fewer times.  So I'm all for preventative medicine ;o)
>
> Ben
>
> George Irvine wrote:
>
> > Geez, I was wondering what the hell was wrong with my lab mice - so it's
> > cancer. No more creatine for those little bastards, from now on I am
> giving
> > those scrawnly little rats Dyanabol and Winstrol V.
> >
> > They are not going to be happy campers - I just got through telling them
> > they can't put artificial sweeteners in their coffee, and now this.
> >
> > Creatine is a natural component of any meat, chicken , fish, etc. Give
me
> a
> > break. It is also adenosine triphosphate, without which you could not
> > contract a muscle to type an email.
> >
> > Give me another break. Mutating the P53 gene "allows" cancer to
progress,
> > and we all have "cancer" all of the time. No mutate, no cancer. Creatine
> > does not mutate P53. It is bullshit.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Disler" <pdisler@io*.ne*>
> > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 5:06 PM
> > Subject: Creatine
> >
> > > List,
> > >  Some time ago their was a thread on the benifits of the widely used
> > sports
> > > supplement Creatine.
> > > This is probably not really news, but for those who have not heard,
the
> > > dietary supplement Creatine, is believed to cause cancer.
> > > Sorry, I do not have any documentation or actual studies to reference.
> It
> > > seems it has been suggested that any who use this product should
> > > discontinue use at once.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > "SILT HAPPENS"JD   JEFF DISLER
> > >   SAFE CAVING       NSS 26000
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