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> Maybe it is the language difference, or maybe you guys feel more comfortable > arguing semantics with females. That particular female knows what she is > talking about. The compressors get hot, Mathias, and that is when it > happens. "Properly maintained" is not going to happen in the dive industry, > most of the time. I get my gas at Underseas Sports where I know Matt is > meticulous and at Brownies Third Lung or EE which is a compressor dealer, > manufacturer, and installer. > > When somebody gets wacked, as they have from CO in bullshit compressors, > everyone suffers , since they blame the "breathing gas", usually something > other than air that was involved, or they make up some other "we do not know > what happened" excuse. > > CO is fine so long as the partial pressure of oxygen is high. CO usurps the > hemoglobin bonds , but the plasma will still carry the dissolved O2 due to > the high partial pressure. When that pressure drops as the diver surfaces, > there is not enough O2 getting to the tissues, and he blacks out and drowns. > > Mathias, I am the undisputed King of risk taking in this sport. I define my > own risks, and will not accept unnecessary risk imposed by dive industry > bullshit or dive shop monkery. > > CO filters are a MUST for my breathing gas, and boosters make me nervous > unless one boosts with pure helium , not the oxygen containing gasses to the > higher pressures. I have not had a problem with boosted oxygen, but why take > the risk, and why not just do it the easy way? > > Bill Deans boosted one of my al 40's to 4000 with oxygen one day in Key West > being a wiseguy, and I spent the whole deco wondering how long before I > would have to rebuild the reg. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Voss [mailto:mat.voss@t-*.de*] > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 5:13 AM > To: Trey > Cc: George Irvine; stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*; > pina3@be*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: postings > > > George, > please tell me where I did contradict you. I did not have much time for > my first reply, so I did it that way that I knew you would jump in for > an explicite explanation. > As for oilfree compressors ( rather boosters) I recommend the new > draeger. It is half as much as the old U 300 with the glycerine/ water > greasing. > Combustion of oil in a properly maintained compressor normally should > not occur ( According to the guys at Bauer where I did the maintenance/ > repair classes for K14/K15). It can however, for any reasons the > compressor is running to hot. Mineral oils start decompositing mostly > above 170° C. So it is nice to have the right filter in , and make the > crosses for the filling at the right sheets. > ( in case you do not havea supervising system ( what will be the next > thing I 'll add to my Draeger DK 18) > > Trey schrieb: > > > > Bullshit, Mathias, the combustion of the oil in the compressor is as good > a > > source of CO as it gets. CO from an engine used to run a compressor should > > sink, so they elevate the intake to the compressors. > > > > I do not know why you guys just have to be such flaming assholes about > > everything. Somebody ties to put out good information, and you just have > to > > put out bullshit. > > > > Bauer and every other asshole sells what you are willing to pay for. > > Nickelrockets get the bullshit filter, players get the whole deal. > > > > Maybe you can tell us all why anyone would then want an "oil free" > > compressor, if it makes no difference? I'll bet you are one of the same > guys > > who will tell me that "oxygen cleaning" is necessary. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthias Voss [mailto:mat.voss@t-*.de*] > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:53 AM > > To: George Irvine > > Cc: stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*; pina3@be*.ne*; > > techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Re: postings > > > > Frankly, George, > > Bauer sells the composite filter with CO filtering only for their Honda > > and Diesel powered compressors . The electric powered ones have the same > > filter cartridge, and instead of hopkalite some more of the other stuff > > to increase slightly the relevant capacity. > > > > You can opt for the CO filter there as well, of course. > > Advisable in some environments, on some ships.... > > Damn, I would not like to know how they sometimes manage to get the air > > so foul so quick....One day in France we had a girl vomit under water, > > some others had bad air. We ended up with all our bottles carried to the > > storefront, on the street, letting them freeflow for a purge. > > > > George Irvine schrieb: > > > > > > Mathias, you dumb fuck, what do you think in in the compressor and all > > over > > > those pistons, and why do you think they have a CO filter? > > > > > > > Carbon monoxide is a byproduct of a combustion engine, so not that > much > > > > of concern in an electric powered compressor. But even in those , when > > > > too high temperatures cause oil to diesel, CO can be present. > > > > I believe the stuff to filter that out is called hopkalite. > > > > -Matthias > > > > > > > > stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk* schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > >In a compressor environment > > > > > > you have a > > > > > > filter to take out carbon monoxide > > > > > > > > > > Don't you mean hydrocarbons? > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk* schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > >In a compressor environment > > > > > > you have a > > > > > > filter to take out carbon monoxide > > > > > > > > > > Don't you mean hydrocarbons? > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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