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From: "Viktor Sajn" <viktor.sajn@fs*.un*.si*>
To: "Ian Puleston" <DiverIan@pa*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: ppO2 and off-gassing N2
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:53:38 +0100
Hi Ian!

The problem is really complicated if you look at,
from not to the best side. I will not write about
the (right but not the new one) diffusion decco
model, but about benefits of breathing 100% O2 at
6m (20') rather than 3m (10').

If somebody does a decompression dive (long) at
the end of dive he wants to make safety but as
short as possible decco. If one in procedure of
decco is low on nitrogen and helium and another
inert gases so that his (calculated) ceiling is 6m
(20') he will accent to 6m (20')a switch to max
inert offgasing of course with 100% O2. Logical?
Ok, after some decco time the concentrations of
inert gasses are so low that he can continue his
100% O2 decco on 3m (10') with less or more the
same speed off offgasing (there are some
difference connected with PPO2).

BUT IF HE IS CLEVER HE WILL NOT DO THAT. HE WILL
STAY ON 6m (20') TILL THE END OF DECCO.

Why? Simple, is he convinced that after part of
decco his ceiling is 3m (10')? So it is calculated
by program, but sensitivity to decco of the same
diver can be much different regardless to many
factors. Does the program know how you feeling or
are you dehydrated ..? NO! So if his decco is
critical regardless to shape of the diver, maybe
he will get bent.

So if he stays at 6m (20') he lower risk of
getting bent not the breaking eventual deeper
ceiling and has less or more the same speed of
offgasing. This meaning if you want to do the
decco with the same risk you can short it with not
going to 3m (10')!

If you look at this explanation little wider, you
can see that this philosophy is nothing that
application of DEEP DECCO STOPS. Why to accent to
3m (10') to irritate possibilities of bubble
growing? Because of toxity benefit of 1.3 against
1.6 PP02?

What is conclusion of this email?

DOING DECCO ON 100% 02 ON 6m (20') IS THE RIGHT
WAY.


Viktor





-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Puleston [mailto:DiverIan@pa*.ne*]
Sent: 4. januar 2001 3:39
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: ppO2 and off-gassing N2


Reading the stuff previously posted on the Oxygen
Window - especially Bill
Wolk's postings which are very helpful - it almost
all makes sense, except
that I can't quite understand why the high ppO2 in
the blood helps the
Nitrogen come out of the cells. I understand the
advantages of 100% O2 over
80/20, but can't fully see why breathing 100% O2
at 20' is better than
breathing 100% O2 at 10'. I accept that it has
proven to be better, but
would like to understand the theory as to why.

Bill Wolk defined the Oxygen Window as used in
diving theory as "the
difference between the concentration of inert gas
dissolved in tissue vs.
the concentration of oxygen and inert gas in
arterial blood". Breathing an
elevated ppO2 forces extra O2 to dissolve into the
blood plasma, in addition
to that normally carried bound to Hemoglobin. So
far I'm with the program.

But what I can't see is how this additional O2
affects the N2 coming out of
the tissues. When there is no N2 in the arterial
blood anyway, why does
forcing additional O2 into it make a difference?

According to Henry's law the amount of Nitrogen
that will dissolve into the
blood is affected only by the partial pressure of
the Nitrogen itself, so
increasing the ppO2 will have no effect on that. A
previous posting (which I
can't find now, but I don't think anyone argued
against it) indicated that
increased ppO2 will tend to block the Nitrogen
molecules from coming out of
the cells by osmosis.

The only beneficial effect of the additional O2
that I can see is that
(again from a previous Bill Wolk posting) "the
additional osmotic pressure
forces O2 into the surrounding tissue, which has
the effect of oxygenating
tissue and reducing swelling and clotting --
essentially, healing the
cellular damage caused by deco diving". Is that
the only benefit of the
higher ppO2, or is there something other way in
which it aids off-gassing
N2?

Anyone care to explain?
Ian



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