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  John, re your questions 1-8 on WKPP below.

 #1,3,4 and 6 : The WKPP rule is "anyone can do any dive that any two other
WKPP divers will do with that person". I receive a list of possible divers
from Casey McKinlay ( Project Coordinator) that is screened by the team
members and signed off on to him. I make a plan based on the talent
available to me, and I make up the teams so as to maximize the chances of
success with a team leader. Sometimes this means I have a guy like Trout or
Landon doing an easy dive to balance out teams, and then sometimes I have
some all hard core teams if I know it will be extremely difficult.

  #2 McKinlay designates a surface manager from one or more of about six
people who do this job very well. Dawn, Heather, Dave Sweetin, Elmore, are
among those who do it regularly. We operate in shifts as well , switching
duties.

  #5 Scott Landon oversees the training of suitable divers. I work with the
main divers, they pass this on via Landon's system of having them dive with
each other and with a "mentor" from the experienced guys. For instance, I
will dive with a combination of some of the gas divers, they will dive with
other combinations and so forth until we are all on the same page. At that
point they get signed off on to move to more difficult dives. We record the
logs and the sign off sheets for all levels of divers. Werner and Landon
keep track of that. Dives have to be with a variety of team members so that
we do not get a guy like Ted Cole who can compensate diving with one newer
guy repeatedly who then falsely feels like he is qualified. I generally
exclude instructors as "counting" in the logs. Similarly, in situations like
with Pina where she has done more than 50 dives with me this year , only
some of them "count" towards qualifying for other WKPP dives.

   #7 Anyone can call a dive at any time, but the team leader generally
decides whether a  dive is possible. If we have somebody fall out of a team
for any reason, we generally have standby divers to fill in or we modify the
plan on the fly. We have multiple sets of identical scooters, lights, tanks,
rebreathers, gas etc so equipment problems are never an issue. Due to the
way I set these dives up, we can usually pull them off so long and Jarrod
and I can get in the water, and if one team drops their payload and aborts,
the others compensate on the fly. We also have no problem surfacing and
restarting dives.

   #8 I make the ultimate decision on how far to "push" people, and my
thinking here is to hold them back until I feel they have had a chance to 1)
fully understand the risk they are taking, and 2) be prepared to deal with
the absolute worst. Both require time and both require working up to it
slowly in order to be certain.

   We now have some seriously skilled , talented, and experienced divers in
the WKPP, and we have worked together for a long time . Looking back, I
remember when some of these guys took cave class from JJ, and I remember
when some of them first came to me with their stroke gear and bullshit
training. We have guys who have been cave diving 25 years and some who just
started. We even have guys from other countries who now come here and dive
right in with the team. I also remember all the guys who got killed and I do
not forget why that is not happening now, no matter how much criticism I get
for my way of doing things.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Purcell [mailto:omegasac@ei*.ne*]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:33 PM
To: >
Subject: Q for George


George, questions re WKPP,
1.Who ultimately decides who dives with the WKPP.
2.Is there someone responsible for surface management
3.Who allocates/decides buddies
4.Who determines dive plan.
5.Who helps/trains suitable divers
6.Do the more experienced divers accompany lesser divers on new dives.
7.Who can call a dive for everyone before it happens.
8.Does anyone determine how far lesser divers are to progress to while being
helped/trained by more ecperienced divers.
Thx
Jack
"Desperate Dan Daly Can Kiss My A**"


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