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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0540F.44511120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought the law was along the lines of you cannot dive on a wreck that still has human remains (don't know where many wartime wrecks fit into this). If there is no longer anything there then (generally) its ok. James DIbbs Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*] Sent: 22 November 2000 3:22 AM To: gzambeck1 Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Diving the Edmound Also, photos of the wreckage, which sits in 530ffw, revealed a dead body which grieved the families (not sure if Zee & Tysall shot the video). If the government wants to declare the wreck a memorial, then diving it will be by special permit only. But the argument that any wreck with fatalities should be off limits to divers is absurd. Easily half of the wrecks I dive in the Great Lakes have had fatalities, some with all hands lost. MJB --- gzambeck1 <gzambeck1@me*.ne*> wrote: > M.J.B. > The wreck was made into a memorial at the request of the Families. > The Wreck sits 1/2 mile in Canadian waters. > The dive by Zee & Tysall caused the anger of the families. > They petitioned the Canadian Government to have the wreck closed. > Since the dive broke several laws on both sides of the border, this added to > their cause. > > The affects of the dives inspired several legislators to have all wrecks > closed in the Great Lakes. > The disrespectful actions of the divers, in making the dive was the issue. > Since this would have eliminated all diving on all but a few wrecks in the > Great Lakes. > There were five states that became active in this action. > Thankfully no laws were passed. > > A lesson to be remembered. > > Greg Z. > > > "Michael J. Black" wrote: > > > There was a recent article in the NY Times about diving the Edmund > > Fitzgerald, which sits in Ontario, right at the US/Canada boundary. > > Ontario legislation would make it off limits to divers, and that is > > the families wishes too. Counterpoint: Then other wrecks with > > fatalities should be off limits too. I suspect diving on the Fitz > > will be by government permit only, for some time. MJB > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0540F.44511120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2651.75"> <TITLE>RE: Diving the Edmound</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I thought the law was along the lines of you cannot = dive on a wreck that still has human remains (don't know where many = wartime wrecks fit into this).</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If there is no longer anything there then (generally) = its ok.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>James DIbbs</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sydney, Australia</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Michael J. Black [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*">mailto:mjblackmd@yahoo.com</A>]</FON= T> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 22 November 2000 3:22 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: gzambeck1</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Diving the Edmound</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, photos of the wreckage, which sits in 530ffw, = revealed a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dead body which grieved the families (not sure if = Zee & Tysall</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>shot the video). If the government wants to = declare the wreck</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a memorial, then diving it will be by special permit = only. But</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the argument that any wreck with fatalities should = be off limits</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to divers is absurd. Easily half of the wrecks = I dive in the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Great Lakes have had fatalities, some with all hands = lost. MJB</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--- gzambeck1 <gzambeck1@me*.ne*> = wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> M.J.B.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The wreck was made into a memorial at the = request of the Families.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The Wreck sits 1/2 mile in Canadian = waters.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The dive by Zee & Tysall caused the anger = of the families.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> They petitioned the Canadian Government to have = the wreck closed.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Since the dive broke several laws on both sides = of the border, this added to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> their cause.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The affects of the dives inspired several = legislators to have all wrecks</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> closed in the Great Lakes.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The disrespectful actions of the divers, in = making the dive was the issue.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Since this would have eliminated all diving on = all but a few wrecks in the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Great Lakes.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> There were five states that became active in = this action.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Thankfully no laws were passed.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> A lesson to be remembered.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Greg Z.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> "Michael J. Black" wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > There was a recent article in the NY Times = about diving the Edmund</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Fitzgerald, which sits in Ontario, right = at the US/Canada boundary.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Ontario legislation would make it off = limits to divers, and that is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the families wishes too. = Counterpoint: Then other wrecks with</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > fatalities should be off limits too. = I suspect diving on the Fitz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > will be by government permit only, for = some time. MJB</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = __________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Do You Yahoo!?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the = holidays!</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <A HREF=3D"http://calendar.yahoo.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://calendar.yahoo.com/</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list = to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT = SIZE=3D2>__________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do You Yahoo!?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of = Products.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://shopping.yahoo.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://shopping.yahoo.com/</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0540F.44511120-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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