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Ok Aladdin of Pendel String you get 5 minuets on my time today.
I'm in the middle of launching a product, and I only have 16 hrs a day
to get something done.

Richard Roost made and AIR dive on the Gunilda to 260 ft with his Nikon
and two SB-103 strobes back in 89.  Yes Richard wanted to Pee Pee and he
decided that the Navy tables would cover him.  George makes these kinds
of decisions with his tables and he is Right and the the rest of the
world is wrong.  Mount has already gone over how the US NAVY picked out
the Jesus factors.

I understand it perfectly, when I design something it's all work's on
paper.
It's this dam imperfect world.  Borher is a EE and so is Baker, They
have all of the background to design tables.  They plug number into
equations.

30 minutes after coming out of the water Richard had an ouwey in his
arm.
Forget the melodrama of the weeping boy.  Richard was 6'-2" and 240 lb.

Standard practice was, If the patient is more than 6 hours away.  Try to
treat them at the site.  Lake Superior is 39 deg F.  He was given pain
killers and oxygen or do you want me to reference the underwater medical
books?

The closest chamber was Ste Sault Marie, 11 hours.  Mr. Williams has
already stated that the chamber at Thunder Bay was at a remote site and
they couldn't get him there.

We were told it was on a commercial barge at the end of the dock, and
had been taken apart.  No tickey, No workey.  This was only 90 miles
away.  Mr. Williams has also stated that these deep air divers have some
badge on honor about getting bent.

No clown, it hurts allot.

With this information we went to dinner.  A Doctor would say, Nurse give
the patient pain killers and advise me of his condition in one hour.
The photo that was taken shows who was at the table and and two members
of the group were missing.  Richard and the diver attending him.

We came back, his condition worsen and he was transported.
He was treated in the states.  Mr. Williams didn't to treat him so he
went to the US.
The video tapes shows Richard being carried off the boat by the members
of the group.  Charlie, his brother Bill, Rocky  and Ned Basher ( Owner
of the Rossport Inn )
can be heard on the tape.  There are no fisher folk as Mr. Williams
described, helping Richard to the hospital as we were drinking the night
away in the local inn.

After 3 treatments, Richard refused additional treatments, signed him
self out and went home.  Since Richard was a PADI Course Director, I
think he can make that decision about his condition.
Mr. Williams stated that he refused treatment.  What's his point, He
wasn't going to treat him.

The rest of your question will have to wait, I have work to get done and
this in not going anywhere.

Greg Z
IANTD #1145


Subject:
          bent student
    Date:
          Fri., 10 Nov 2000 22:45:23 EST
   From:
          <AlanPelstring@ao*.co*>
      To:
          techdiver@aquanaut.com, vbtech@ci*.co*, quest@gu*.co*



To be fair, it has been pointed out to me (not by Greg, no response from

him)
that Richard Roost was not a student of zambos, on the Labor Day dive.
They
were just buddies.     what a way to treat your buddy!

This brings me to another question, Greg.

What organization did you hold your open water inst. cert with before
becoming a tech inst.?

Did you hold any leadership position for any organization?

It is my understanding, you went from diver to tech instructor in one
leap.
Who are you with tdi or iantd?

Do you feel this lack of training was a factor in the way you handled
the
situation when Richard bent himself?



In a message dated 11/7/00 7:24:11 PM, gzambeck1@me*.ne* writes:

>Nelson
>
>    Are you following this same concept with the 80% you use at 20 ft
and
>above.
>
>Greg Z.

zambo

could you clear up something for me?

lets go back - labor day of 89, you there?

one of your students was doing a dive and did not want to piss in his
dry
suit, becouse of this and wanting to be macho, he blew off a lot of
deco,
and
got bent, bad.

so the question is what first aid treatment did you do for him?

I understand that nothing was done for richard roost even as he lay in
tears
on the back of the boat due to the pain.

you taught him well. I understand he was found on the doria stages
intact, no
sign of struggle, when the recovery divers found him, about 2 years ago.

thanks for helping to clear this up

Alan Pelstring

Alan Pelstring
S. Fl.
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