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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "gzambeck1" <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>, <CaptnDale@ao*.co*>
Cc: <Steven.Schultz@sp*.gc*.ca*>, <laocoon@et*.or*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Ice diving
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:33:09 -0400

Zambeck, did they have this is Dr Zuess format for you? I see you damn near
put together two complete sentences. Give my compliments to the staff up
there for that one. Now hopefully they will put the four-points back on you
and tuck you in for the night.

-----Original Message-----
From: gzambeck1 [mailto:gzambeck1@me*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:43 AM
To: CaptnDale@ao*.co*
Cc: Steven.Schultz@sp*.gc*.ca*; laocoon@et*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Ice diving


Read Beneath the Crystal Ceiling by Todd Smith.
Best book on Ice diving that I've read.

Greg Z.

CaptnDale@ao*.co* wrote:

> In a message dated 10/21/00 9:29:34 PM EST, Trimixjoe writes:
>
> << If you ask the typical ice diving instructor (Being Ice Diving
Instructor
> Certified Myself) how to ice dive and what is the proper equipment to use
for
> ice diving, he/she will have you rigged for bungy jumping. Ice diving has
had
> very little written on the subject, and the procedures that are being used
> today are limiting which are set up for nit-wit divers. As Instructors we
not
> allowed to step outside the standards it would be a violation. There are
> better ways of ice diving then being used by the training agencies today
and
> it can help those already certified in ice diving to discuss over the
> Internet better procedures, and equipment.  >>
>
> I agree that some of the prodedures being recommended by the agencies are
> stupid but I do not think they are dangerous.  Unfortunately, some of the
> prodeedures being recommended on the internet by persons who, obviously,
have
> little or no experience in this type of diving have the potential to
create
> dangerous situations.  My point is that not everyone who posts in this
forum
> has a clue.  Cave diving does not equal ice diving.  If an instructor does
> not think that he can adequately train his students within the standards
of
> his agency, he is bound, ethically, to go outside those standards.  He
needs
> to exceed those standards, teach an unsanctioned course or find a
different
> agency.  I repeat, if you want to learn to ice dive find an instructor you
> trust who actually is an ice diver.
>
> Safe diving,
> Dale
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