Mouth, the fact is that you, like your buddy Gilliam, can not hold an
argument with me without resorting to something like that mentally retarded
post you just put out  simply because you are wrong and have no legitimate
argument to work with.

What I said to you privately, that you are referring to, is that you
bragging about your deep air and your high PPO2's "would be like me bagging
that I did more cocaine than your son sold".

With you Tom, the only past of yours that  I am pointing out is what you
have NOT done in diving ( anything ), and what I am more interested in is
the things that you are currently doing in instruction that are so sick.

You can not hold and argument with me on current comparisons, as it is too
obvious to all what the score is, so , like Gilliam, you think that
discussing cocaine and embellishing that with made up bullshit is the way to
go.

Tom, it is not. You need to learn to control your stupidity argue with me on
the facts and the issues, not on what bullshit you won't to believe about me
personally, or about what pussies do not like me - "oh too bad, the boss is
an asshole, go cry to Tom about it".

Tom, I have the track record that tells the story- you can't touch it. There
is a reason for that. Figure it out. Argue that or shut the fuck up. I am
going to question every stupid think you do, and when you can not justify
it, bullshit about me will not help you. You are a dumb ass. We all know
that, but try to at least come up with something that somebody will believe
about the diving issues , and skip the bullshit -- YOU CAN'T DO that
successfully, Tom.


m Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 (25)YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE


Mr MaGoo
Um are you now going to tell us how tough you are that is usually the next
in your very predictable chain of post

By the way it was not me that gave you that name it was some of your own
people I guess they should know

Seems weird that you are the only person that heard Sheck say that, and that
Sheck was on our BOA helped develop the standards and recommended me for a
diver of the year award with Aquacorp and that one of the last dives he did
before his death was with me and Mary Ellen (by the way she never heard
Sheck say that mouth bit either, ) at Diepolder and also that he did not
know he was a WKPP diver he did know he dived with WKPP and went to the end
of the line without a warm-up, At he time he did not see it as a big deal

Yeah my son had a drug problem  but unlike you he is not proud of it and
realizes it could have killed him. Guess he just did not have as much fun
with it as you did

Oh is this true did you say this

We are not good, we are fucking luckier than you can
              imagine. Only by the Grace of God have we not had
              somebody killed.
    or
) When I do find out who you are , and I get the opportunity
to get my
              hands on you, you will find out first hand why I have two
multi-count
              assault arrests on my record already.

     Who did you hit your wife , excuse me exwife

Have fun I'm through playing this silly game
Tom Mount
CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
Please note my new eMail address
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon
<js_landon@ho*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 (25)YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE


>
>
> Tom, too bad I did not know your kid 16 years ago when I did coke, I could
> have gotten a discount. It he still out of prison on parole, or is that
not
> discussed now that he works for IANTD?
>
> What is with the Prozac comment , Tom? You are really reaching. I fell
like
> I need Prozac when I see what you have done to diving, and I sure felt
like
> I needed some the day I had to retrieve Jane Ornstein from the bottom of
the
> ocean after she died because of your agency, or when I had to sit in Palm
> Beach Court and watch Marge cry while I had to testify as to why her
husband
> should be declared legally dead from one of your IANTD clusterfucks, or
when
> I see this shit about 12 year olds with ten dives overhead diving, you
money
> grubbing , unscrupulous, lying ,cowardly never-been moron.
>
> Nothing but mediocrity and bullshit come out of you and your
organization -
> nothing, and it is all about money, and all about talking and never doing
,
> and now your have your little panties in a wad and are howling like the
> idiot that you are because your piss poor judgment is being questioned.
> Luckily , there are now other training agencies so you no longer can make
> instructors go along with your mindless bullshit - they now have a few
> choices.
>
>  You have surrounded yourself with the worst of the worst and the most
> pathetic, the biggest liars  ( like "World Record Jill ) , and the biggest
> losers, do nothings, and pretenders in the game, created in your image ,
the
> great Tom "Mouth" , so named by Sheck Exley because you are all talk and
no
> action and have been that way since you were 30 years old. A nobody from
> nowhere dive instructor who never did anything but yap.
>
> You are ruining our sport, and you will be stopped . By whom? By your own
> stupid self. By the way,this is really a classic from you, you dumb fuck.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 (25)YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
>
>
> What child,  this is the person you thought was a child at 25 years old
Gee
> George guess  at your age the young girls really look young to you,
although
> I'm much older I can still tell a 12 year old from a 25 year old must be
all
> that coke you keep bragging about having done in bygone days
>
> No wonder some of your people call  you Mr. MaGoo, guess to many deep
> dives(or the coke)
>
> It is easy to see when you are lying either your keyboard is in action or
> your lips are moving, or you are threatening someone or bragging that you
> will suck their dicks at Macys if you ever do something such as dive a
> rebreather , so how many have you sucked since you started diving
> rebreathers.
>
> Generally I just hit delete on your pitiful post and the reason that you
do
> not get responses from others is they are to busy trying to figure how
> anyone could even pretend to take anything serious that a psychotic maniac
> like you could say in the first place.
>
> You need to up your Prozac as you are really losing it (George) Mr. MaGoo,
> What's the matter cannot get enough people to support you to dive at
Wakulla
> oh boo hoo,
>
>
> Tom Mount
> CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> Please note my new eMail address
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon
> <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 (25)YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
>
>
> > Tom, you are too much - putting out one horror story to deny another.
This
> > is like " I was NOT buggering the dog, it was the cat". The FACT is you
> have
> > a bragging piece out there about "the youngest ever overhead diver"
> trained
> > by that fat slob Heinerth. So this case was just a hopelessly
unqualified
> > diver, not a child, the "record" was the child. Good going - the usual
> > idiots at work. OR wait a minute, was this the mother of the child that
> you
> > had to train so she could go with the child according to your
"standards"
> or
> > what?
> >
> > How am I supposed to keep track of the bullshit you create? It is all so
> > ridiculous to me that I can not distinguish one dumb ass story from
> another,
> > and they are all so horrific and stupid that I have gotten used to
> believing
> > anything I hear about you and IANTD, and certainly there is nothing that
> the
> > Hienerrths could do that would surprise me at all.
> >
> > Tom, I can not waste my time reading your stuff or that your web page or
> > IANTD "journal", so I have to rely on your members' reports. They are as
> > horrified as we are by this new direction you have taken. In fact, not
one
> > of your thousands of instructors is stepping up and supporting this
stuff
> > publicly.
> >
> > Why is that? Where is that cc list of yours ( the who's not who of
diving)
> > that you always send out when you get into one of these discussions.
Bring
> > that on out so we can all get a huge laugh. I love that list. I actually
> > laugh out loud when I see that. Maybe you could get that idiot from
Brazil
> > who calls me "Johnny Holmes" to come out and support it, you know the
one
> > who told us that he could not possibly be narced at 375 on air - get
that
> > dumb fuck out here to support your child program.
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 (25)YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> >
> >
> > > I checked with Paul and Jill on the 12 yeard old at LR and as usual
with
> > you
> > > guys the real story is different, but that has never mattered to you
but
> > for
> > > those truly interested read below
> > >
> > >
> > > Give me a break....
> > >
> > > That is hilarious.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is true that Paul had a student at Little River last week and
> that
> > > she
> > > is interested in pursuing cave diving instruction but that is about
> it....
> > >
> > > The student is 25 years old, but very petite (around 100 pounds). She
> was
> > > trying doubles for the first time in the large open water area and the
> > mouth
> > > of
> > > the CAVERN. She was wearing double HP 80 cylinders and after her
> > orientation
> > > decided that she is not ready for doubles yet.
> > >
> > > I have no doubt that eventually she will work out in the gym enough to
> > > manage
> > > the equipment, but sometimes we just have to allow people try to let
> them
> > > know
> > > that they need to take baby steps. She was in good hands in a PRIVATE
> > > instruction situation with her instructor Paul and her fiancé (who is
a
> > > fully
> > > certified cave and trimix diver).
> > >
> > > Jill
> > >
> > > Tom Mount
> > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> > > Please note my new eMail address
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon
> > > <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the
> water
> > > at
> > > > Little River, her "motha"?  Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern
at
> > > little
> > > > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were
used
> > for
> > > a
> > > > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, why
is
> > it
> > > > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and
the
> > > > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a
> > straight
> > > > answer to a question?
> > > >
> > > > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to screw
up
> > and
> > > > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret Wineberg
> > > > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What next?
> > > >
> > > > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Over head environment is not cave it is a single cylinder course
and
> > the
> > > > > guardians take the course with the student
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Mount
> > > > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> > > > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> > > > > Please note my new eMail address
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> > > > > To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > okay, tom, then what the fuck is this from your website.  12
years
> > old
> > > > > right
> > > > > > there in black and white.  you sound like clinton trying to
argue
> > the
> > > > > > difference between cavern/wreck penetration and cave diving.  12
> > year
> > > > olds
> > > > > > have no business doing anything on scuba other than 30-40 reef
> dives
> > > > with
> > > > > > their parents.  you must just enjoy lawsuits.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overhead Environment Diver and EANx Overhead Environment Diver
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Purpose
> > > > > > This Program is designed to develop wreck and cavern diving
skills
> > > > within
> > > > > > the limits of light penetration and to insure that divers are
> aware
> > of
> > > > > > self-responsibility and capable of risk management in overhead
> > > > > environments.
> > > > > > The Program may be taught using either air or EANx.
> > > > > > If combined with the IANTD EANx Diver Program, or if the student
> is
> > > > > already
> > > > > > qualified as an IANTD EANx Diver, the student may use a mixture
of
> > > EANx
> > > > in
> > > > > > the range of 21% through 40% oxygen.
> > > > > > If combined with the IANTD Advanced EANx Diver Program, or if
the
> > > > student
> > > > > is
> > > > > > already qualified as an IANTD Advanced EANx Diver, the student
may
> > use
> > > a
> > > > > > mixture of EANx in the range of 21% through 40% oxygen as a dive
> > gas,
> > > > and
> > > > > > safety or required decompression stops may involve EANx mixtures
> of
> > up
> > > > to
> > > > > > 50% oxygen.
> > > > > > Prerequisites
> > > > > > Must be qualified as an IANTD Advanced Open Water Diver or
> > equivalent.
> > > > > > Must provide proof of a minimum of 10 logged dives.
> > > > > > Must be a minimum of 15 years of age with a parent or guardian
> > > > > > authorization, or a minimum of 12 years of age for Junior Diver
> > > > > > qualification, or a minimum of 18 years of age without guardian
> > > > approval.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > > >To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > > >CC: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:28:03 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >IANTD does not have acourse to teach 12 year olds to cave dive
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Cave Diver and Technical Cave Diver
> > > > > > >.
> > > > > > >B. Prerequisites
> > > > > > >1. If entering through modular route, must be qualified as
> > > Introductory
> > > > > > >Cave
> > > > > > >Diver with proof of a minimum of 50 logged dives. If taking the
> > > course
> > > > on
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >rebreather must have 35 dives logged on the rebreather
> > > > > > >2. To enter Technical Cave (Technical Diver) in addition to
> #1,must
> > > be
> > > > > > >qualified as an IANTD EANx or Advanced EANx Diver, or
equivalent.
> > > > > > >3. Must be a minimum of 18 years of age.
> > > > > > >OR, if being accepted in the Program based on equivalent
> > experience:
> > > > > > >4. Must be qualified as Advanced Open Water Diver or
equivalent.
> > > > > > >5. Must provide proof of a minimum of 100 dives.
> > > > > > >6. Must be a minimum of 18 years of age.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tom Mount
> > > > > > >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> > > > > > >TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> > > > > > >Please note my new eMail address
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > > >To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 6:33 AM
> > > > > > >Subject: Fw: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > > > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > > > > Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Cavers List
> > > > > <cavers@ca*.co*>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 6:55 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom, somebody has started a rumor that IANTD has a
> > > > > > > > > new course which teaches 12 year olds to cave dive.
> > > > > > > > > Could you please dispel this before some other
> > > > > > > > > idiots out there , like CDS , NACD or TDI,  decide
> > > > > > > > > they are "missing a few bucks here"  and decide to
> > > > > > > > > do the same thing?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You must go crazy with all of the really stupid shit
> > > > > > > > > that people attribute to you on these lists - the
> > > > > > > > > real story is sick enough by itself.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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