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fine , triple my estimate then, still does not make gas diving too expensive for those of us who understand the idea. its only money. i would question the sensibiilty of doing long dives where there is little possibility of recompression within reasonable time frames. THats why you limit your bottom times. if the wrek is really big, that means theres more to see on the outside. if we are going to penetrate, then we bring MANIFOLDS. We dont accept the wrong gas and the bizzarro gear just because we are on a boat in the pacific. whats next, do i get to shoot people in the shopping mall while on vacation in Montana just because i visit the gun shop there??do i get to throw rocks at the isreali police when i visit Jerusalem??< the palestinans might think i was missing out if i didnt, wouldnt that be embarassing?> You know, there is nothing to be ashamed about doing sport level< your term> dives.Fact is, its all underwater. Al Marvelli Scott Stitt wrote: > On the tek trip I did to Truk on the Agressor we did a different wreck every day for seven > days, two dives a day, to depths that would be described here as being in trimix range. > Sometimes followed by a night dive. If you're going to provide gas for this kind of trip > you're going to have to double your estimate. The wrecks vary in size from large to really > large and if you're planning to do trimix bounce dives on a single tank you're not going to > see much. Then you really would be just wasting your time and money. You would be better off > just doing the sport range stuff. Sport divers on the "Thorfin" were doing as many as seven > dives a day. They'd be seeing a lot more and getting more out of their trip at a lot less > expense and effort than some single tank trimix bounce divers. If you're going to go to all > the time and expense of sending helium to Chuuk you might as well send a ton and do the tek > wrecks right or you really are just wasting you're time. > > ajmarve@ba*.ne* wrote: > > > well that assumes all 14 dives require helium, and i am now hearing that only a couple > > of the dives are this deep, so if anything i need to revise my estimate downward, which > > just makes the final dollar figure even lower. > > > > if you want to go hand to hand with the list on why independents are stupidity, be my > > guest. i will not be diving such a rig in the immediate future< like, ever.>. > > > > in any event, why on earth would you need double 80's for a non penetrating dive in near > > perfect conditions? are we not diving in a buddy team? are we doing extreme exposures in > > middle of Pacific, 14 hours from a chamber? 15 to 20 min bottom times would lead to a > > runtime compatible with backgas deco w a single 80. bring a 40 of 50/50 to deco and you > > should be able to stay w/in thirds for chirstsake. > > > > you know the more i think about this, the more reasons i see to not dive this site with > > these people, who obviously have little regard for anything besides the money people pay > > them. > > > > perhaps if the checks had to clear customs at the airport before they got paid they > > could figure it out. > > > > Al Marvelli > > > > I would bring my own manifold. > > > > conversely what type of brain disfunction does one have to have to need two 80's > > > > Scott Stitt wrote: > > > > > Al > > > Your math looks reasonable enough except for one possible problem. Few of these > > > dives, if any, will be made on singles. Twin-independent-80's were all that was > > > available on my trip. Unless you bring your own manifolded twins, your own manifold, > > > or they've upgraded their equipment since, that's what their is. > > > Andrew mentioned to me that one cylinder, of unknown size, was $600. > > > regardless, in order to be more accurate you'll have to double your estimate. > > > regards > > > Scott > > > > > > ajmarve@ba*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > > so lets do some math. seven days, two dives a day. lets say. > > > > > > > > ten divers. > > > > > > > > lets $500 us per k of he. thats all you need if they can make ean with a > > > > membrane. > > > > > > > > so lets say we are going to make these dives on 19/35. lets say non penetration > > > > dives because of no manifolds, so single 80's for every one. how many k's of he > > > > will we need. im thinking 35% of 80 cuft is what 26 cuft so thts 52 cuft per > > > > diver per day so roughly 520 cuft per day so you need roughly 3640 cuft of gas. > > > > so you need 14 k's of he. > > > > > > > > 500x14= 7000 divide by ten divers cost = 700 per diver, but over 14 dives thats > > > > only 50 dollars per dive. > > > > > > > > do you really expect anybody to believe you pay what four grand for the boat, > > > > another grand to fly, endure 17 hours in a plane then who knows how long on the > > > > boat, and then the educated techdiver <who probably pays twenty grand to get to > > > > that point> says i cant afford to pay $50 to dive gas, so im going to dive air?. > > > > > > > > now thats bullshit Scott > > > > > > > > Al Marvelli > > > > > > > > scott sitt wrote > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > shipping one K-cylinder of 02 or helium to Chuuk is over $500 U.S. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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