You are the first I have heard of this, and I talk to a *lot* of divers.

I am very interested in learning about the specifics of your course.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Ross <diverse@un*.on*.ca*>
To: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Trey
<trey@ne*.co*>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on


> Hi Scott,
>
> I agree that hyperoxic trimix, or helitrox is an excellent way to go. I
have
> been personally diving and teaching it for years. In my shop I charge only
> marginally more than a nitrox fill .
>
> I don't know where you are coming from with the NAUI normoxic trimix
course
> stuff though. Perhaps I am mistaken, but as far as I know, other than  the
> obvious few, NAUI is the only main stream agency that fully embraces
> Helitrox. We have an excellent course already in place, which is fairly
> priced. Many of us, including most of the leadership of NAUI Tech, follow
> the practices of DIR. My shop has been for some time, and will continue to
> be dedicated to the pricipals of DIR at all levels of training. Please do
> not lump us together with the likes of IANTD or TDI.
> It continues to be a very hard road, to educate the diving public on the
> advantages of DIR and mix over deep air. Before making such a generalized
> statement, please conduct some research. I would be happy to assist you in
> any way possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tim Ross
> Diverse-Tech
> NAUI Tech Canada
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>
> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
>
>
> > The next thing we have to work on is a way to get the agencies to
embrace
> > hyperoxic trimix, and get it into the hands of advanced level
recreational
> > divers. I have been turning people on to HOTx for 6 months, but there
are
> > several problems:
> >
> > Most people are charging .65 to .75 a foot for He, which is ludicrous,
> since
> > the cost is a round .13 a foot. The typical reasons are "because I have
to
> > buy a compressor" blah, blah, blah. As a parallel, one of my buds has an
> > office supply biz. He has two copiers that cost more than any
compressor,
> > and he gets a nickel a copy off one, and .25 a copy from the other.
Others
> > sell double fills of trimix for 80 to 120 dollars. We can double the
money
> > on our gas at $16 for singles, and around $28 to $32 for most dubs. This
> rip
> > off has to be brought to light as well.
> >
> > NO ONE should have to take $9,000 worth of TDI or IANTD training to be
> able
> > to use the gas, which, in reality, is *safer* than air for diving.
> > Without a trimix shingle, or a guy like me who will do a fill for people
I
> > know, they are unable to use the gas anywhere else, unless they blend it
> in
> > their garage, which many are doing.
> >
> > I took a gent out yesterday to dive on the gas, and he was amazed at how
> > much better he felt afterwards. Normally, his hands really hurt after
> diving
> > air (slightly arthritic), but HOTx didn't have that effect.
> >
> > I brought this up to the "instructor base" over on rec.scuba, and they
> > howled like a bunch of mashed cats. NAUI and IANTD totally missed the
ball
> > on this one with their "Normoxic trimix course", which is just another
way
> > to separate you from your money.
> >
> > Before anyone starts screaming, lets just remember the noise made when
> > Nitrox was suggested for recreational divers. Mountains of dead divers
> were
> > predicted...
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
> >
> >
> > > If all of us insist that these guys do things properly , then they
will
> > find
> > > a way to do that.
> > >
> > > The problem is that when idiots like Gilliam get into the mix, we all
> > > suffer. I can't imagine traveling 12,000 miles to dive in a great spot
> and
> > > doing it on air.
> > >
> > > We have the same problem in New Jersey, where the Seeker idiots
proudly
> > dive
> > > air and bullshit gear, like "poney" bottles of air with air in doubles
> > >  just to be sure there is no mistake about how dumb they are) with
> > > slobwinders to turn the ponies on. They serve a clientele of strokes.
> > >
> > > The harder we make it for the idiots to be idiots, the better it will
be
> > for
> > > all of us.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*>
> > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Cc: <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:37 PM
> > > Subject: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
> > >
> > >
> > > > List:
> > > >
> > > > There has been some confusion about my views, and what I did or did
> not
> > > say
> > > > regarding a Truk Lagoon Trip.  Most of these messages were in the
> > private
> > > > forum, but I want to say all this in the open.
> > > >
> > > > I DO NOT support any form of deep air diving, diving below 130'
> without
> > > > Helium, or any diving operation involved with Brett Gilliam, TDI, or
> any
> > > of
> > > > his buddies.  The shop I work for is taking a trip to Truk, on the
> boat
> > > > Odyssey.  This vessel, at the encouraging of Bret Gilliam, allows
> *and*
> > > > supports Deep air diving to depths of 200, because Gilliam says in
the
> > > > ocean you are safe to that depth.  I DO NOT agree.  It is very clear
> > that
> > > > this guy is a moron, and the charter company is falling victim to
his
> > > > stupidity.
> > > >
> > > > As for the trip, I have suggested to several members of the trip
that
> > the
> > > > answer is to limit the diving on the trip to depths of 130 or
> shallower,
> > > or
> > > > not go at all.  (Helium, which is available, is *very* expensive, so
> my
> > > > thinking is that it makes more sense to not do the deep dives,
rather
> > than
> > > > to pay for the He)  As for the other suggestions on the list
regarding
> > > > "diving to 140 or 150, mabey the 200 foot dive...," in Truk, I also
DO
> > NOT
> > > > agree with this.  This is the exact thing we all are trying to get
> away
> > > > from, It is not safe, nor is it "OK," to do these dives without the
> use
> > of
> > > > Helium.
> > > >
> > > > I am a firm supporter of the DIR idea and those who have put in the
> time
> > > > and effort to make it work--If you want to do it DIR in Truk, you
have
> 3
> > > > choices:  Pay for the gas, stay above 130, or refer to Rule #1.
Most,
> I
> > > > would think would refer to Rule #1........
> > > >
> > > > Finally, I would like to point out that it is up to us as divers to
> get
> > > the
> > > > point across to these charters....deep air is not safe.  I hope this
> > post
> > > > has cleared up this mess, and that everyone knows where I stand now.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Mike Strong
> > > >
> > >
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