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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:45:36 -0400
Subject: Re: WKPP + DECO
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
CC: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
After reading this post, and then re-reading I am at a loss as to what Moron
is trying to say. It's as if he descended on earth from some bizarre
alternate reality. So to help those of you who are at as much a loss for
works on this blither, I offer a readers guide to this classic Guy Moron
post...



> Thank you very much for the information. It is very insightful.

Oh, fuck, he called me on all my bullshit...

> In regard to issues relating to what I may feel toward your, or any other
> organization, let's all wake up to the fact that this is irrelevant. I have

Well, I'd better put some spin on this right away...

> certainly not sought any form of gratification in entering this debate, and
> had no illusions in regard to the impact on my popularity. It was a

Well, looks like I'm not going to be diving any where in the US anytime
soon..

> worthwhile sacrifice, and a very small one at that, to finally come to some
> form of consensus, and to debunk what were flagrant myths on this list as to

This is the last time I step on my dick for the sake of TDI...

> the very practices of the organization. While the myths in question were
> raised by proponents of the organization, these folks didn't receive
> anywhere near the criticism that I have endured. These myths we have already

WAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAA, MOOOOOOOMMMMYYYYYY

> agreed upon, believe it or not, as is evident in reading through the noise.
> 
> Yes, it is a fact that people will be sensitized to the choices pertaining
> to their deco, especially with the information provided over a number of

Man, once you buy into the bullshit, it sure is hard to back out when you
are as hard-headed a moron as I am...

> interesting posts. Also, it seems that everyone who is relevant to the
> discussion has indeed elucidated that using oxygen requires careful
> consideration; it provides a lot of benefit, and there are many factors to

Well, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit...

> consider that relate to it's safe use. On the practical side to the use of
> O2 at high PO2's a habitat for oxygen decompression that provides protection
> for O2 tox, is something one cannot carry on the dive boat, that is also a
> reality.

Let's see the 'ol "I'm not a cave diver" line seems to be effective...

> Across several posts from the organization's proponents, it seems that I can
> find statements confirming that breaks are not accounted for in the

Christ I wish I know what in fuck I was talking about...

> software. The organization uses empirical data that is difficult to adapt
> for the diver that is outside of the organization, best to consult said
> organization to gain a deeper understanding, and a valid application of the

HoooooWeeee... That was a stinker... I think I'll open a window...

> empirical data. It would be foolish to attempt to do what the organization
> does without first getting trained. This was the essence of my original
> post.

Essence, yup, that one sure had some essence...

> Trey himself has confirmed the 12/6 spread I mentioned in one of my posts.
> Other details I leave to the reader, who can't see that oxygen requires no
> blending, and is always accurate, duh? The oxygen window concept does not
> try to invoke anything beyond the use of hyperoxic mixes. Using oxygen is a

Or was that 6/12, er, 02, uh, window, no, hypo, er, ah fuck it I'll just act
like I know what I'm talking about and the dweebs will buy it...

> tricky affair providing both benefit, and penalties, that must be carefully
> managed. Taking breaks aims to restore lung efficiency, not magically
> increase it. It increases it from it's reduced state, thus restoring. The
> other minor ones are also evident.

Oh shit, George is right again. Time for me to act like I thought it up...

> The organization does a very specialized type of dive, and using some very
> specialized techniques, and in a single environment; these are factors when
> considering applying these techniques outside that envelope.

Hmmm, I may be losing my audience, I'd better knock cavers again...

> As you say, the reader is left to figure out whether the type of
> specialization your organization exercises for it's dives even applies in
> other environments. Now, more than before this debate, it is possible for
> people to do just that. While these things are spelled out on some of the

Time for some really thick meaningless bullshit...

> web sites, proponents of the organization did offer some questionable
> insights, I refer simply to the residual tissue loading using O2 that are
> the root of my contribution to the thread. Yet the organization didn't so
> much as blink about those falsehoods.

Boy, I will have to by my own dive boat after this one...

> The points I raised were vigorously debated, and I am satisfied with the
> outcome, again, it wasn't, and isn't, personal. In the face of ridicule and
> derision, I succeeded in keeping the dialog as courteous as possible,

Lucky for my fan club I'm a masochist...

> without placidly enduring what was, at times, inappropriate behavior devoid
> of social grace. As far as what is expressed by me, we still hold freedom of
> expression as a fundamental right, and at no time did I suggest a practice

Thank goodness for the God, Flag & Country argument... Of course it does not
apply in Canada...

> that might be construed in any way as being dangerous, nor did I ever

I really don't know why my lawyer insisted I put this in... I don't know
who'd want to sue me out of my double-wide...

> express that I was an expert on any subject of my posts. I merely
> highlighted some obvious oversights, and contradictions that I found in the
> various posts.

My daddy always called me an little asshole, but he didn't tell me I could
make money off of it...

> Finally several people have expressed similar concerns as I did, and were
> served by the discussion. It is also too bad for those who might have
> something to contribute, but didn't in the face of poor social graces.

I can't believe all those assholes buddies of mine hung me out to dry like
this...

> It is too bad you are bitter about the result of the debate. You claim
> victory, but have no satisfaction at that affirmation...

I'd better wind this up, my ass is getting sore...

> My position was not one of win/lose; in this exchange, I think everyone came
> out winning. Too bad some people are still angry; time will heal your
> wounds. Realize that I am not here for your liking, as you are not here for

Excuse me while I nail myself to this cross...

> mine. I prefer to think that something came out of this, if nothing more
> than getting people thinking, without placing value on a particular
> organization, or person.
> 
> Sincerely yours,

Fuck all you assholes

> Guy
> 
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