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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:47:22 -0400
From: Guy Morin <xnet@vi*.ca*>
Subject: Re: 80/20 deco
To: Thomas Tukker <thomas@ha*.ne*>
Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>

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> Actually there is some strong conviction that these breaks may actually help
> us off gas more efficiently.

No, it is fairer to characterize the breaks as preventing the

off-gassing process from becoming less efficient. What you describe

is a myth.

> Essentially, giving your lungs a break from the high Po2 may be the better
> way.
> What a lot of people do not seem to understand is that a deco program is
> just that, a program that produces a bunch of numbers. What actually goes on
> when you look at a physiological level is not understood enough at this
> point and hard to examine. It is certainly not the case that the deco
> program reflects what is really happening, we know that. What we also know
> is that it works for now and that is good enough until we find better
> methods.

And the point of the discussion, as stated earlier, was the comparison

between two profiles. Whatever developments you speak of would

need to be applied to both profiles equally, and there is therefore

nothing so far to indicate that there is any magic to decompression.

Are you saying that we can expect a theory in the future that will

demonstrate that the 50/100 is actually better than 36/80? Do you

know, offhand, if this magical theory takes into account the fact that

breaks are being taken from O2? There wouldn't be any published

findings by any chance? I didn't think so.

> So if you start discussing these issues with a group of divers that has
> thousands of hours experience using different gasses and deco, you have to
> understand that your deco program might not be strong enough a conviction
> for this group to support your arguments.
> Theories are one thing, experience the other.

Yes, and I'm sure that the majority of divers out there

won't mind blowing off 25% to 33% of their shallow water

decompression. Who's a minority now?

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Guy



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<pre>> Actually there is some strong conviction that these breaks may
actually help
> us off gas more efficiently.</pre>

<pre>No, it is fairer to characterize the breaks as preventing the</pre>

<pre>off-gassing process from becoming less efficient. What you
describe</pre>

<pre>is a myth.</pre>

<pre>
> Essentially, giving your lungs a break from the high Po2 may be the better
> way.
> What a lot of people do not seem to understand is that a deco program is
> just that, a program that produces a bunch of numbers. What actually goes on
> when you look at a physiological level is not understood enough at this
> point and hard to examine. It is certainly not the case that the deco
> program reflects what is really happening, we know that. What we also know
> is that it works for now and that is good enough until we find better
> methods.</pre>

<pre>And the point of the discussion, as stated earlier, was the
comparison</pre>

<pre>between two profiles. Whatever developments you speak of would</pre>

<pre>need to be applied to both profiles equally, and there is
therefore</pre>

<pre>nothing so far to indicate that there is any magic to
decompression.</pre>

<pre>Are you saying that we can expect a theory in the future that
will</pre>

<pre>demonstrate that the 50/100 is actually better than 36/80? Do
you</pre>

<pre>know, offhand, if this magical theory takes into account the fact
that</pre>

<pre>breaks are being taken from O2? There wouldn't be any published</pre>

<pre>findings by any chance? I didn't think so.</pre>

<pre>
> So if you start discussing these issues with a group of divers that has
> thousands of hours experience using different gasses and deco, you have to
> understand that your deco program might not be strong enough a conviction
> for this group to support your arguments.
> Theories are one thing, experience the other.

</pre>

<pre>Yes, and I'm sure that the majority of divers out there</pre>

<pre>won't mind blowing off 25% to 33% of their shallow water</pre>

<pre>decompression. Who's a minority now?</pre>

<pre></pre>

<pre></pre>

<pre>-- 
Guy</pre>
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