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--Boundary_(ID_xj29M8816oTeTzolDuEN7A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Jim, > So what you are telling me that you will use whatever it gets you out of the > water quicker, damage to your body be damned, and whatever I say or anybody > else says will not make you change your mind. The flawed modeling is actually what would make me hesitate at using such a risky profile. You are basically saying that it is ok to blow between 25% and 33% of your deco, according to what the algorithm specifies, that we should trust your unpublished findings. I don't know about you, but I would definitely hesitate at getting out of the water before my schedule said it was ok. I know you'll be wanting to avoid the fact that the decompression modeling using pure O2 is flawed, that's a major oversight for a group that has such pride for it's attention to detail. > I don't know what it takes to get you guys to realize that the idea with > deco is to remove nitrogen from you body and you don't do this by breathing > more nitrogen. Nitrogen is what causes the damage. You've seen these nitrogen atoms doing damage, have you? This is very interesting Jim, very far out. Everyone here who isn't so obviously biased has already accepted that pure O2 deco isn't accurately accounted for in the modeling. Aren't there enough unknowns in diving for your taste Jim? You are now affirming that people should engage in practices on faith? Wow, this is getting funny, more, more. > I also, IMHO, your thinking is flawed when you presume that using 80/20 > obviates the need for air breaks. Seems to me if you are doing *any* mix > where you are spending extensive time at 1.5 PP02 or above you would want to > do air breaks to avoid long term damage to your lungs. Another mythical story, then it's sounds like all the modeling is flawed now, and only what you preach is the word. Give me a break. > Oh, yeah, the only thing that matters is getting out of the water fast, I > forgot. Actually, that wasn't a statement of mine. The only thing that does matter actually is building a model that most accurately reflects what is being practiced, and that yields statistically acceptable DCS incidence. Ultimately, you have no choice but to agree with me Jim, not modeling what happens in the water is a major oversight. Yes it's theory, and all that stuff, but at the end of the day, all we are left with is a tool that is based on some model. Taking into account the events that take place in the water, and that are material to the fundamental aspects of what is being accomplished are the keys to attaining a better way of diving, independent of the gasses used. There is no better gas, just safer, or riskier ways to manage decompression. -- Guy --Boundary_(ID_xj29M8816oTeTzolDuEN7A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <pre>Hi Jim,</pre> <pre></pre> <pre></pre> <pre>> So what you are telling me that you will use whatever it gets you out of the > water quicker, damage to your body be damned, and whatever I say or anybody > else says will not make you change your mind.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>The flawed modeling is actually what would make me hesitate at</pre> <pre>using such a risky profile. You are basically saying that it is</pre> <pre>ok to blow between 25% and 33% of your deco, according to what</pre> <pre>the algorithm specifies, that we should trust your unpublished</pre> <pre>findings. I don't know about you, but I would definitely hesitate</pre> <pre>at getting out of the water before my schedule said it was ok.</pre> <pre>I know you'll be wanting to avoid the fact that the decompression</pre> <pre>modeling using pure O2 is flawed, that's a major oversight for</pre> <pre>a group that has such pride for it's attention to detail.</pre> <pre> > I don't know what it takes to get you guys to realize that the idea with > deco is to remove nitrogen from you body and you don't do this by breathing > more nitrogen. Nitrogen is what causes the damage.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>You've seen these nitrogen atoms doing damage, have you? This is very</pre> <pre>interesting Jim, very far out.</pre> <pre>Everyone here who isn't so obviously biased has already accepted that</pre> <pre>pure O2 deco isn't accurately accounted for in the modeling. Aren't there</pre> <pre>enough unknowns in diving for your taste Jim?</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>You are now affirming that people should engage in practices on</pre> <pre>faith? Wow, this is getting funny, more, more.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre> > I also, IMHO, your thinking is flawed when you presume that using 80/20 > obviates the need for air breaks. Seems to me if you are doing *any* mix > where you are spending extensive time at 1.5 PP02 or above you would want to > do air breaks to avoid long term damage to your lungs.</pre> <pre>Another mythical story, then it's sounds like all the modeling is</pre> <pre>flawed now, and only what you preach is the word. Give me a break.</pre> <pre> > Oh, yeah, the only thing that matters is getting out of the water fast, I > forgot.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>Actually, that wasn't a statement of mine. The only thing that does matter</pre> <pre>actually is building a model that most accurately reflects what is</pre> <pre>being practiced, and that yields statistically acceptable DCS incidence.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>Ultimately, you have no choice but to agree with me Jim, not modeling</pre> <pre>what happens in the water is a major oversight. Yes it's theory, and</pre> <pre>all that stuff, but at the end of the day, all we are left with is</pre> <pre>a tool that is based on some model. Taking into account the events</pre> <pre>that take place in the water, and that are material to the fundamental</pre> <pre>aspects of what is being accomplished are the keys to attaining a</pre> <pre>better way of diving, independent of the gasses used.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>There is no better gas, just safer, or riskier ways to manage</pre> <pre>decompression.</pre> <pre></pre> <pre>-- Guy</pre> </html> --Boundary_(ID_xj29M8816oTeTzolDuEN7A)-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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