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I have to laugh when some guy gets on here and says he "does not know what the oxygen window is" but knows I am an "idiot" after I have spent ten years using the best sources of information in commercial and military diving and decompression applications and covered thousands of man dive hours of mixed gas decompression real life examples to determine what gas combinations and deco work the best. The fact is that there is no dive for which the combination of 36 and 80 as deco gasses is correct , optimal, or makes any sense. You may be able to get a deco program to tell you this, but that has nothing to do with the actual result, or any of the other considerations of diving that make up these choices . Actually, the programs say 36 give you a tiny boost coming from the deeper stops, but in reality this is then lost completely when you need it in the intermediate stops ( the program does not pick this up ) and then the 80 alters the stops above it incorrectly and you just waste time at the next two steps. The fact is that the guys who do these gases do not do any real dives or real bottom times, and that the dives they do this on can be done with no deco gas at all, and what is happening here is that a "successful" result for a bullshit dive that needs no deco or very little are then extrapolated out to dives not done by any of these guys . When they try to pan out a "big" dive using bullshit gas, they find an intolerable amount of deco rather than the result we get. Also keep in mind that the programs have huge fudge factors in them designed to "protect" the supplier. Most people without preconditions can get by with just hanging out long enough in the water and will not get seriously hurt, even though they are not decompressing successfully by our standards - just look at Navy air tables to see a great example of this. The fact is that there is no model that by itself will explain deco. You need to use the full logic and understanding then apply that while identifying the real risks of the dive and deco. Let me suggest that trying to learn the stuff is a lot better than showing an IANTD card and claiming all knowingness. As usual, those with no experience love to take their little gas class and then tell me how the cow ate the cabbage. Sorry, until you have something more that a hypocritical punk smartmouth, you need to take a seat. There is no dive for which 36 and 80 are the correct choices of deco gas. I have no time to go over and over the obvious, but other than Hunsucker, you guys are not covering the deco side of this correctly. Scott can take it from here. As for Cap JT, I am getting real sick of his bullshit and now am going to put an end to it. The fact is that JT fucked up three times while I was up in Virginia beach with his stroke scooter alone - three time he ran over the line and twice at 300 feet causing a clusterfuck there,ruining a dive by his bullshit hard headed non-DIR planning and his non thinking " you guys don't understand " methods, and he ran this clusterfuck after riding 7 hours off shore only to FUCK UP due to hard headed stubbornness. JJ , Pina and I invoked Rule Number One and stayed home after we saw this coming the first day. JT - shut the fuck up about me. You get to my level you can talk. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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