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I hear you, Thanks, Jeff the Darwinian. At 21:58 17/08/00 +0200, you wrote: >Jeff, > >I do as well since I used to live in Singapore for 2 years, and they use >both Metric and Imperial units there. If you dive *only* in Imperial or >Metric area, why bother ? > >-Phi > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Swann [mailto:swanncruz@oc*.ne*.au*] >Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:47 PM >To: Capt JT >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: RE: re vb tech report > > >Dear Phi, Jt, List, etc, >I live in Australia. >A metric country for over half my life time. >I am agonizing over this, that is to put depths in metres. >O2, MOD 6m. >Bye, >Jeff the Darwinian.At 20:12 14/08/00 -0400, you wrote: >> Phi Le >> very cautious with what goes on during the predive and dive. Ok, so there >>was 2 questions if you want to count that last one, the answer is Yes. ;-) >> >> JT >> >> At 01:48 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: >> JT, >> >> I don't know you nor MHK, and don't care if either of you guys use alu 80. >>The people I dive with don't use alu 80 as stages in the ocean. When I am >>visiting Florida, I use 2 X alu 40 for 50% and O2. At home (Europe or >>Asia), I use 2 X alu 7L. And that's more than enough for down to 300 ft. >> >> Ask George if he uses alu 80 for the ocean dives! >> >> I wasn't stabbing at you. I didn't understand why any Capt or divers (not >>my buddies) would care how I mark my stages or what gas I have in my tanks >>(providing I don't do deep air, etc.). I don't dive with them eventhough we >>go out on the same boat since I would have my buddies. And if they need to >>grab a bottle in case of emergency, the content is marked by tape at the >>tank neck. >> >> "" after the MOD. >> >> That's not some DIR party-lines, JT. It's just common sense! And stop been >>so damn defensive, not everybody is looking to flame other people. >> >> I re-read mine, and there were actually 2 questions :-) >> >> -Phi >>> -----Original Message----- From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:33 AM To: Phi Le Cc: >>>techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: re vb tech report >>> >>> Phi Le "", forgive my poor taste in words. >>> >>> Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in the ocean so you are >>>barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the post is too stupid to >>>read. where he directs the NE divers to go look, it is the same thing I >>>posted. BTW, I took your question as a stab at me, reread yours and will >>>see you only ask one real question, the rest was standard DIR answers, >>>statements no questions at all. >>> >>> At 03:15 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Trey wrote: JJ, my opin. is that XXXXXXXXX >>>needs to go to http://www.wkpp.org and read my DIR configuration "" and >>>then explain that to XXXXX and the others. This in cludes our bottle >>>marking scheme which is at the heart of gas diving. >>> >>> We can not have an intelligent discussion until that effort is made, >>>and we can not expect XXXXXXX or anyone else to think that wearing some >>>wing or some bottle on some side means anything without this explanation. >>> >>> >>> >>> At 12:12 AM 8/15/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: JT, "" ? ""-bullshit. >>>Why do you think that anyone want to sniff anyone else's butt ? People >>>are on this list to exchange information. So if you have nothing to >>>share, then STFU, stop pretending like you do and waste everybody's time. >>>I don't have time to trade insults with you. Just re-read your posting >>>below and ask somebody to explain DIR to you, you have no clue of what >>>you are trying to slam. Hint: nobody is diving 80cf aluminum stages in >>>the ocean so you are barking up the wrong tree there. The rest of the >>>post is too stupid to read. -Phi -----Original Message----- From: >>>Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 >>>10:13 PM To: Phi Le Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: re vb tech >>>report "" is this site or others who are doing nothing more than sniffing >>>GI butt with this same copied info. Stages should be aluminum 80's. >>>Right off the bat they can see that GI is off his rocker, he has already >>>told everyone not to change any of his system, they already know that it >>>is much easier to carry a 45 steel stage than an eighty on a wreck dive. >>>Alum 40's are better for wreck dives, easier to manage, but he does not >>>say that in this on the site. These swing equally from negative to >>>positive with air, less negative with gas, by the amount of the air or >>>gas carried. They are rigged with stainless steel bolt snaps, the size >>>of which is determined by whether or not your diving requires gloves, >>>They have already figured this out also, except Brass will do at less >>>cost, they dive cold water so they knew about the size for the gloves >>>LONG before he did. " line run under a hose clamp halfway down the tank >>>and tied to the neck. The upper clip should be tight to the break of the >>>neck, the lower clip should have plenty of tail to work with. The bottle >>>needs to be held close in the front and lose in the back to prevent >>>drag. There should NEVER be any metal to metal connections of any part >>>of your rig. This is something they would not know or understand, UNLESS >>>you have scootered with stages and without. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stages need to be permanently marked as to their maximum operating >>>depth in three inch high letters placed horizontally in the orientation >>>of the tank on either side so that the diver can see what he is >>>breathing, and so can his buddy, no mater where the tank is. The stage >>>reg is rigged with a short pressure gauge which is bent back on itself >>>to face the diver and held in place by bungee cord at the first stage, >>>The reg hose must be the octopus length. The stage regs are always >>>parked on the bottle and the bottle turned off unless in use. Stages are >>>generally worn on the left side for streamlining, and because of the >>>position and balance of the rest of the gear and the other hoses so as >>>not to interfere with the operation of any other gear, as well as the >>>scooter , which is driven with the right hand, favoring the right side. >>> , deal with what their doing now. Breathing correct gas is good, easy to >>>see what your breathing. >>> >>> To deploy a stage, we look for the correct depth marking, we put the >>>reg around our neck, we then turn on the bottle , put the reg in our >>>mouth, and if we can breath, we are breathing the correct gas. It is >>>just that simple. No other convolutions are necessary, and would only add >>> to the chance for error. Yes it is very simple, but you need to put it >>>out so they can understand it and why they should do it. " marking work >>>very well for our group here, for the very deep dives I like to have my >>>stages delivered to me, my name and MOD are on them , it also puts the >>>support diver with me to make sure everything is OK. "MOD just get one >>>that matches what I need. This can be done on any dive, if a diver is low >>>on needed gas all he has to do is point to the MOD and his name, that way >>>we know who is in trouble. Also makes it is easy for the crew to locate >>>extra gas for him if everyone is marking their tanks the same way, it is >>>not a CF trying to read those little bullshit tags that fall off. Phi Le >>> I will only answer one of those bullshit questions below. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 04:07 PM 8/14/00 +0200, Phi Le wrote: JT, >>> >>> So you feel there is an issue that people might be mistaken for a stage >>> marked for 60 ft as EAN60. That's a possibility... >>> >>> But why would the Capt and other divers be worrying about *my* stages ? >> BECAUSE WE CARE! >> >> >> >> >> >> Obviously I will be diving with my buddies who would know what the >>markings mean. The stage(s) will be with me u/w so no one will breath it >>without my knowledge. >> >> If someone wants to use them in case of an emergency on the boat, the >>oxygen "" and the rest has the content analysis tape at the neck. >> >> Am I still missing something ? >> >> -Phi >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 3:32 PM To: Phi Le Cc: >>techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: re vb tech report >> >> >> >> >> >> There is no better system than what the WKPP use at this time, but as a >>Capt and diver on boats that carry numerous divers on trips who have no >>idea what the markings mean, I have added FT(= feet) to my stages so there >>is no confusion on their part. If one does not like the FT he can simply >>cover it up with the rubber intertube as JJ did to my tanks he used when >>they were here. >> >> " MOD works for us later post. >> >> At 01:44 PM 8/14/00 +0200, you wrote: ><> ><> >The 2 big things we >>do not agree on are: >>2) Reasons why you mark stages... ><> > >JT, > >>>Why do you disagree with it ? > >And since you are marking stages >>differently, you must feel that your way is >better. Could you elaborate >>on your *better* system ? > >-Phi >> >> >>"" >> & more >> http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> captjt@mi*.co* >> >> >>"" >> & more >> http://www.capt-jt.com/ >> captjt@mi*.co* >> >> > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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