JT,

That last clip wasn't from me.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From:	Capt JT [SMTP:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent:	Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:56 PM
To:	Chris Ward; 'Tim Ross'; 'techdiver@aquanaut.com'
Subject:	RE: Ron Fuller's death in San Diego


>
>
>Hopefully people will learn from the mistakes? Mistakes here quite often
>mean a fatality. As far as I am aware, GUE has as yet, lost no one and DIR
>is built on a system that prevents this kind of tragidy, not on lost
>divers!

Hi Chris you may be off a bit here, what you say very much depends on how 
you look at it.
I am not sure if GUE had been started when Rob Wolvo decided to kill 
himself by going after his mask that fell overboard with only 750psi in his 
tanks, But since JJ is in fact the founder of GUE and Rob did receive 
training from JJ, that kinda points to a possible gray area in that statement.
Just so you also know how I feel about certain things, if I diver is 
trained by TDI and he dies, it is a TDI death, but if a diver has ever 
received any DIR training or ever been involved with the people who created 
DIR and they die, it should be counted as a DIR death, it does not matter 
if they died during a project or doing a fun dive. Once you get exposed to 
DIR diving and accept it, if you die diving, it should be counted as a DIR 
death.
As I believe in the DIR system, it is only as good as the diver using it.



>You're right...it would be much better it no one learned from these
>incidents.
>
>
> > DIR didn't magically create its configuration overnight and it worked
> > perfectly.  It took time and experimentation.  The fact that no one died
> > during the process is pure luck.  When any experimentation with theory
>and
> > the unknown is undertaken, a certain amount of risk is accepted.  I
>applaud
> > those who accept this and continue forward, but I don't think anyone can
> > say there isn't a little luck in the process and a few crossed fingers
> > before trying something new.
> >
> > Chris Ward
>
>It never cesses to amaze me, how some of you think there is glory in
>accepting unacceptable risk. There is no glory in this type of death, it's
>not a battle field and we are not fighting a war. Get your head out of your
>ass!
>
>What kind of instructor would I be, if I taught my next trimix course,
>based
>on an element of luck. Proper information, planning and DIR is what is
>required along with candidate screening. I sure hope you are not an
>instructor!!
>
>I don't recall saying there was any glory in it.  If you read the statement
>a little more carefully it says "I applaud those who accept this and
>continue forward....", as in accepting the risks involved in technical
>diving and experimenting with new concepts.  Since no one else seems to
>have lambasted me yet like you have, for reading something into a statement
>that doesn't exist, I'd say I'm not the one with my head up my ass.
>
>I'd say you were a shitty instructor if you did that.  Instructional
>certification courses should never be taught with incomplete data and hard
>information to back it up.  As before, I never said anything like what
>you've insinuated.
>
>Are you one of those people who reads the first and last sentence of a post
>and knows what was written in between automatically......because your
>accuracy is amazing.
>
>Chris Ward
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