George

>Do not even tell me that my reasons for marking
>stages do not fit a "wreck" diver - 100% of the gas
>diving accidents are BREATHING THE WRONG GAS.

Speaking as a UK wreck diver, I always check and double check the markings of
my deco cylinders before and after a gas switch.  The need for correct bottle
marking applies to a greater extent in wreck diving than for cave.  In cave,
you drop your deco bottles at their MOD, in wreck you take them with you so
the chance of a CF is much greater in wreck.  Hence the *greater* importance
for proper marking.

David Shimell
shimell@se*.co* <mailto:shimell@se*.co*> 
DDI: 01932 814096 * Mobile: 07770 282 202 * Fax: 01932 814343
Project Manager, IBM UK Web Server Group, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd,
Weybridge Business Park, Addlestone Road, Weybridge, Surrey, KT15 2UF, UK
registered in England and Wales under company number: 1999363, registered
office as above

-----Original Message-----
From:	trey@ne*.co* [SMTP:trey@ne*.co*]
Sent:	Monday, August 14, 2000 1:58 AM
To:	Capt JT
Cc:	List - Technical Diver; MHK
Subject:	Re: re vb tech reprot

I'll skip your digging dives , and guess what,
the compass still works in the bad vis, and
I still can figure out how to get where I need to
be. You really need to try a cave dive and then tell
me about this BULL. You make me laugh. Rise
above the silt and take your bearing. What the fuck
is  wrong with you lately? You will never see my ass
at sea without a compass, and "referencing" is a
skill - ask anyone who has been cave diving .

In-tack ships make it easy, man made debris is easy
since it is somewhat recognizable. Try limestone for
miles and then tell me how to navigate, JT - you are
covering for idiots with lame ass bullshit.

Do not even tell me that my reasons for marking
stages do not fit a "wreck" diver - 100% of the gas
diving accidents are BREATHING THE WRONG GAS.


I am not interested in reaching morons, JT, I
obviously have reached more people than any of you
have or ever will, and that is a fact. Where do you
think "DIR" came from, and who's tapes do they use,
and who's diagrams, who's articles and who's
description?

Hello, Mom? I'l stick to my way of dealing with
idiots, and you can diasagree - no big deal, but  as
for the marking, there is no arguement against my
way that makes any fucking sense or holds up in all
situations - Mine does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
Cc: List - Technical Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>
Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: re vb tech reprot


>
>>JT, I don't know what kind of mutations or
silliness
>>you are wanting to "debate" with me, but I never
>>noticed it diving with you either up there or down
>>here, so it must be something you are planing on
>>doing in the privacy of your own home , so don't
>>even tell me.
>
>You will find that we will agree on almost
everything, there are very
>few  things we do not agree on. That is why you
were  unable to notice
>anything up here or down there very different
between us and you.The 2 big
>things we do not agree on are:
>1) Delivery of the message
>2) Reasons why you mark stages, rig, and over all
do it the way you say.
>
>You fail to get the message to the wreck divers
because, your reasons do
>not fit into their diving.
>
>
>>Of course there are little things you guys do that
I
>>don't bother mentioning, as they are "mute"
points,
>>like riding scooters that are under you where you
>>can not see the blades ( I think you said your
>>scooter ate something - I was not paying
attention).
>>There is no sense saying anything about it as you
>>know what would be best and even though I myself
>>would not do that, because I realize the ones you
>>have are very reasonably priced and everyone can
get
>>one, and they go deep enough for what you need
them
>>for, and a scooter like I would use is very
>>expensive. So we let that one go by, but then when
>>the whole system starts to get fucked up over it,
>>you may want to stop and think about it. Otherwise
>>you are  thinking in the right direction on the
big
>>stuff so that is the idea.
>
>You are right about the scooters, cost is a factor
among those like me with
>limited income. Plus you fail to see that the Gavin
would be useless as a
>digging tool to wreck divers. If I wanted to be an
asshole to you guys when
>you came up here I would have taken you to wrecks
like the "Tiger" where
>your compass would only have been good on the
surface and there is no bow,
>stern, port, or stbd on that wreck. Just ask Al
Marvelli, he did a night
>dive on it. I would maybe have taken you to the
"Eureka" where all those
>scooters we had would have been turned into digging
tools and the vis would
>have went down to 3-5 ft in those spots we dig. And
you compare our 40ft
>vis to be 12ft vis to you, if we say it is 3-5ft
just imagine what you
>think it would be. We chose the "Mexicana" because
it fit the needs and
>likes of everyone that came.
>
>
>>The New England boat monkeys do NOTHING right , as
>>in not one thing, and they end up influencing the
>>new people quite badly to the point where they get
>>people killed. Fuck those assholes, I will be as
>>rude and nasty to them as I can, will continue to
>>make fun of them in every way I  can, and will be
>>glad to point out to everyone else why they are so
>>stupid, and let them try to defend it until they
are
>>isolated as the obvious village idiots that they
>>are.
>
>You do anything you want, that is YOUR "Personal
Peference" I guess, I beat
>my drum loud and clear, just like you, but my sound
does not hurt everyones
>ears so they keep listening to me.
>
>
>JT
>
>
>
>
>
>>The wkpp leader is a prime example - the Saddam
>>Hussein of cave diving .Seeing his bullshit boat
ideas
>and dive compass is like those pictures from the
Gulf
>War where Saddam had ( in English ) a sign outside
>of a chemical weapons plant that said "Baby Milk
>Factory" - that is how DIR divers appear to
>me - shameless morons who are getting people mad.
>I hear they call that idiot "MLC" now.
>Perfect. Thank God for JJ - a few
>more lives saved.
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or
later you have to get in the
>water"
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East
Coast & more
>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>
>
>


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