Todd

It is obvious that you have not read the origanal post or followed the
thread. Go back to sleep. You are restating several thing from original
post.

Thanks you for connlusion.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Baldi [mailto:todd_baldi@ho*.co*]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:46 PM
To: diveman@gc*.ne*; dwiden@ho*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: ScubaPro Faber Tanks-Paint Bubbles and Rust



This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Scubapro and Faber need
to step up and explain this??!?!?!  You have got to be kidding me. Let me
take a crack at explaining this for all you Mensa's out there.

The big rubber thing at the opposite end of where the air shoots out of it
is called a boot. Underneath that is something called metal.  When you put
it in the water (something that happens when you go diving) water gets
trapped there and forms something called "rust". Those are the bubbles you
are seeing.

This is not an engineering problem. It is a process of nature.  I don't
think it takes a doctorate in physics to figure out why things rust when
taken in water.  Also, when you actually use your gear, it gets worn out.

Get rid of the tank boots. They are useless anyway and make it harder to put
your tanks into tank racks.  Tanks boots are bad from a number of safety
standpoints as well. Since they allow you to store your tanks upright it
concentrates any moisture over a smaller area and could create line rusting
in your cylinder.  If you lay the tank on its side it will spread any
moisture over a greater surface area and help prevent line rusting.

Why are you paying someone to tell you what you can and can't do. Find a new
boat.  You are paying for it.  Tell the captain the way you want it or take
your business elsewhere. Another thing I can't figure out, why do they
"require" tank boots?


TB


>From: "Case E. Harris" <diveman@gc*.ne*>
>Reply-To: "Case E. Harris" <diveman@gc*.ne*>
>To: <dwiden@ho*.co*>, "'Techdiver (E-mail)'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Subject: Re: ScubaPro Faber Tanks-Paint Bubbles and Rust
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:25:11 -0800
>
>It's not an engineering problem... it's a maintenance problem... Take the
>friggin' boots off once in a while and clean the tanks! Just because
>they're
>the biggest, heaviest part of a rig, doesn't mean they're
>indestructible..... I don't use them at all....no matter how low profile
>the
>boot, it still provides a place to snag things.... that and I don't like
>having to remove them to rinse down after many dives, so just don't use
>them
>in the first place.... If a boat requires them, find another boat....or
>suggest other options to the Captain, Owner etc.... I've worked (and owned)
>many dive boats and never had a need for boots on tanks...
>
>Case E. Harris
>Juneau, AK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David B. Widen <dwiden@ho*.co*>
>To: 'Scott' <scottk@hc*.co*>; <dwiden@ho*.co*>; 'Techdiver (E-mail)'
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>; 'Vbtech (E-mail)' <vbtech@ci*.co*>;
><scubaquestions@jo*.co*>
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:05 AM
>Subject: RE: ScubaPro Faber Tanks-Paint Bubbles and Rust
>
>
> > What we need here is ScubaPro and Faber to step up to the plate and
>explain
> > the apparent weakness in their product family. What do their Engineering
> > staff have to say?
> >
> > The NorthEast dive boat operators want boots on all tanks. The folks up
> > there as sure to have the same problem. West coasters are in a different
> > Ocean, but I'll bet the same problem. Oz land?
> > ScubaPro & OMS are International and so is the problem.
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott [mailto:scottk@hc*.co*]
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:52 AM
> > To: dwiden@ho*.co*; Techdiver (E-mail); Vbtech (E-mail);
> > scubaquestions@jo*.co*
> > Subject: Re: ScubaPro Faber Tanks-Paint Bubbles and Rust
> >
> >
> > DONT USE BOOTS!!!!
> >
> > Where have we heard this before...
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David B. Widen" <dwiden@ho*.co*>
> > To: "Techdiver (E-mail)" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Vbtech (E-mail)"
> > <vbtech@ci*.co*>; <scubaquestions@jo*.co*>
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:18 AM
> > Subject: ScubaPro Faber Tanks-Paint Bubbles and Rust
> >
> >
> > > We had a group of individuals CA, FL, NY, & NJ joint us for the
>weekend
>of
> > > diving out of Virginia Beach (Trip reports to follow). One very
> > interesting
> > > discovery upon removal of my tank boots was rust.
> > >
> > > Tanks: are SCUBAPRO steel 95s, white, and about three years old.
> > >
> > > Care: these tanks are VIP as required, washed off with fresh city
>water
> > > after every dive (even quarry/lake), and stand up in my garage when
>not
>in
> > > use.
> > >
> > > Result: The paint under the boots hass bubbled and formed pockets for
>the
> > > salt water to collect. I do not know if the paint and water react
>under
> > the
> > > paint as it does in fiberglass boats or not to form an acid compoound.
>I
> > > hope someone out there, in the knows, has the answer to that. It has
>cause
> > > some extensive surface rust (already had two opinions from technicians
>on
> > > this).
> > >
> > > Several other sets of tanks have been checked and found to have
>similar
> > > conditions with different ages and manufacting date/group. OMS
>versions,
> > on
> > > a limited check group, appear not to have this problem.
> > >
> > > If you have SCUBAPRO tanks with boots on, remove and check for rust
>ASAP.
> > >
> > > Now what is the best preparation and painting to stop this and
>preserve
> > the
> > > metal?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
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