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perry, zambeck stupid is a level measured by being about 30 I.Q. points below farm animal stupid. >From: "Perry Armor" <perry@di*.co*> >To: "gzambeck1" <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>, "Allan Pelstring" ><AlanPelstring@ao*.co*> >CC: "Al Marvelli" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>, <cavers@ca*.co*>, "Scott >McWilliam" <gunilda@wo*.co*>, "Tech Diver" ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "Technical Diver Discussion Group" ><doppler@li*.co*> >Subject: RE: Liar's Trio >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:57:38 -0700 > >Greggo Zamboni managed to peck out this quasi-coherent post, apparently in >reference to Tyler geting bent: > > >"So multiple "sports injuries" are acceptable even if it > >leads to hip bone and joint > >replacement at an early age?" > > Later on, he quotes one of his students (one that survived), or perhaps >came up with this on his own: > "If you don't want to get hurt, don't get into the water". > > So, what's the deal Greggo? You're razzing Tyler for getting hurt, then >spewing this philosophical gem? > > "Zambeckian", or "Zambeck Stupid" -- there's a couple of terms I've not >heard for a while. Looks like they'll be in widespread use again. > > Regards, > > Perry > > >-----Original Message----- >From: gzambeck1 [mailto:gzambeck1@me*.ne*] >Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:11 AM >To: Allan Pelstring >Cc: Al Marvelli; cavers@ca*.co*; Scott McWilliam; Tech Diver; >Technical Diver Discussion Group >Subject: Liar's Trio > > > >Al I found the comments interesting, I can tell how much >frustration that is by the >amount of noise. >Since your a lawyer, and an ex sergeant. >I once ask a Nam vet did they ever worry about dying. >His response was " NO when your dead it's all over, you >worry about living with an >injury ". > >So multiple "sports injuries" are acceptable even if it >leads to hip bone and joint >replacement at an early age? > >I have one friend who has had this done and, and his diving >became much more >conservative. > >As for my students you haven't followed the other thread >very well. >Most are instructors or divers diving air to 150 to 220 ft. >They don't think much of WKPP or George. >To quote the last one "shit happens I know that divers die." > >"If you don't want to get hurt, don't get into the water". > >Mike Graczyk who was the store manager of Richard's store. >Brought two more students with him to take trimix classes >with him. > >I have another instructor in a class right now who knows >about Richard, and doesn't >care. >I brought the subject up before he signed up for the class >and he doesn't care. >He has been diving air to 170 ft in the St. Lawrence River >for years. >He knows that statically if you dive long enough, you may >become injured or die. >They just look at their own track record and have decided >that they are in charge of >their destiny. > >Most of them won't take the time to tell you people. >They read these news groups and can see there is no >discussion going on. > >They sit there and read what you people write and can see >the mistakes. >George's >I'm a 60 yr. old, big time cave diver from Detroit and a TDI >Instructor. >They can see all of his mistakes. >I'm not 60 and I don't look it. >If George is from Orlando, I'm from Detroit. >Then he and Bill spent two weeks telling everyone I'm a TDI >instructor. >They call me and tell me about the latest dumb thing that >you people just said on the >net. > >Bill Bott >I certified Richard after he was in the box, after running >off to TN. >He then counteracted himself in the next statement by saying >the Richard was >certified >as a TDI trimix diver in the fall of 97. >Richard died in the summer of 98. >Bill then screwed up by bring up the Deep Air plate. >If Richard could dive to 260 ft on AIR and died while diving >on Trimix with an END of >135 ft. >Bill just presented a case for diving on deep air as being >safer. >Especially since Richard had more access to Dramamine on the >Gunilda then on the >Doria. > >Then Bill really fell on his face with his body count of 5 >or 6. >He was sure of Richard as a TDI trimix diver but could >remember the name of a Lake >Wayzee diver. >That went over really good since they know that I'm not a >TDI Instructor. > >Scott McWilliams is another interesting fellow. >We have a picture of all of the members who were at the >dinner table in Rossport >after >the Gunilda dive. >Two members are missing. >We also have a video of Richard being moved from the boat to >the truck that Charlie >drove to Thunder Bay. >There are two other dives voices on the tape and none are >slurred from drinking all >night as Scott states. >There are no towns people in the video, so how did Richard's >moaning wake up half the >towns people. >His voice in not even on the tape. > >Al as a lawyer for this group, you must teach them to keep >there story straight. > >Have a nice night Al > >I'll check back in a few days > >greg > > > > > > >Al Marvelli wrote: > > > I wonder what's easier to live with, the knowledge your >instructor got bent, or the > > knowledge that your instructor killed a student. > > > > Al Marvelli > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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