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Hi Brett, Looks like you really screwed up again. You'd better just go back to school and learn not only about economics and government, but also about the military chain of command. << So I guess you are saying that socialism is not a theory based on the belief that all, while contributing to the good of a community, are equal, none better than the other, equally entitled to the same quality of care and protection that the community can provide? >> You bet your bippie that that's what I'm saying. You have just described communism, which is distinctly different from socialism. In socialism, if you contribute more to the community then you are entitled to receive greater benefits from the community. Not so with communism. << Socialism is not a singular "economic ideal" as you put it, but, a theory which takes on different forms based on the stresses applied to it (i.e. Marxian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Christian Socialism, etc. etc.). Anyway one looks upon it, all forms of the theory agree in being opposed to uncontrolled capitalism (unregulated private ownership of businesses for the sake of profit) and seek equality of opportunity for all members of the community. >> I have no argument with this, but it has nothing whatever to do with what we were talking about. << I reiterate, the military is set up on the theory of socialism. Now you think back to Poly Sci. 101 wherever you took it from; Socialism is a theory, dictatorships are a form of government, totalitarianism is a form of government, the military in the U.S. is not a form of government, last I looked. >> You have got to be kidding me. Of course the military is a form of government. It is a dictatorship of the highest order. You just try not doing what your superiors order you to do and you'll find that out real quick. Personal liberty is subjugated to the community in the military. << So from now on if you want to call somebody a dictator or tyrant just do it by name and don't try to take a cheap shot over my shoulder, don't question my education, don't play semantics, or fuck with me. I knew better than to post that, hell I don't even discuss politics with my mother-in-law much less.... >> I haven't got the slightest idea of what you are talking about. You obviously have a bee up your tail, but I really think that it has nothing whatever to do with me. Perhaps you should look inward to find the cause of your angst. And by the way, I see no reason that resorting to cursing will help anything. Remember that raising your voice is not the appropriate reaction when what is really needed is to strengthen your argument. All I commented on was that I believed that "I'm afraid that the military is definitely not an example of socialism. A dictatorship, yes. Totalitarianism, yes. But socialism, no way." Everything else to which you seem to be objecting, appears to come from your own imagination. In any case, this discussion has little to do with technical diving, so if you'd like to continue, let's take it private and keep it off the list. Take care and safe diving, Scott In a message dated 7/14/00 11:15:13 PM, stelarlb@sw*.ne* writes: << Hi Scott, So I guess you are saying that socialism is not a theory based on the belief that all, while contributing to the good of a community, are equal, none better than the other, equally entitled to the same quality of care and protection that the community can provide? Let me know so I can inform the right people and get them busy redefining history! Socialism is not a singular "economic ideal" as you put it, but, a theory which takes on different forms based on the stresses applied to it (i.e. Marxian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Christian Socialism, etc. etc.). Anyway one looks upon it, all forms of the theory agree in being opposed to uncontrolled capitalism (unregulated private ownership of businesses for the sake of profit) and seek equality of opportunity for all members of the community. I reiterate, the military is set up on the theory of socialism. Now you think back to Poly Sci. 101 wherever you took it from; Socialism is a theory, dictatorships are a form of government, totalitarianism is a form of government, the military in the U.S. is not a form of government, last I looked. Get your facts straight and come clean with us. Your problem is not with the theory of socialism or how it is run. You said so yourself and I quote " ...the leadership of the military really has nothing whatever to do with socialism". So from now on if you want to call somebody a dictator or tyrant just do it by name and don't try to take a cheap shot over my shoulder, don't question my education, don't play semantics, or fuck with me. I knew better than to post that, hell I don't even discuss politics with my mother-in-law much less.... Brett ScottBonis@ao*.co* wrote: > In a message dated 7/14/00 6:40:46 PM, stelarlb@sw*.ne* writes: > << Lest we forget the military in all nations both communist and democratic. > If you want a perfect example of socialism you need only look toward our > own military. If you must ask, the reasoning behind this is that all > members are "on the same page" thus work together as a team when kicking a > third world ass. > Brett >> > > Hi Brett, > > I don't know where you received your education in political science, but I'm > afraid that the military is definitely not an example of socialism. A > dictatorship, yes. Totalitarianism, yes. But socialism, no way. > > Socialism is an economic ideal that has been practiced (usually not too > successfully) in the Eijido's in Mexico and the Kibbutz's in Israel, for > example. But the leadership of the military really has nothing whatever to > do with socialism. > > Take care and safe diving, Scott -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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