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"Nydivecon" <nydivecon@ao*.co*> wrote in message news:20000710011559.29466.00001907@ng*.ao*.co*... > > ok the fecal coli form > >bacteria keeps shutting down beaches but other than that its fine lol . > >Actually that is why i purchased my aga mask. its not pos pressure but its > >nice to now im a little bit safer than with reg . > > Exactly my point on "contaminated water" and teh Ocean Reef. I didnt mean to > imply that it was for wearing in reactor cooling pools but rather for that > "yucky" water that you really dont want in your mouth :) > > Thanks you proved my point.... The point is this: you are a FOS idiot, and your own string of drool proves it. You keep claiming to be a fully trained and experienced commercial diver, Honorably discharged Naval Officer, SSI AOWSI <snicker>, yet you have no name and your 30 years old. Do the math. What is your name? How come no one here will admit to knowing you? Who did you work for in the commercial dive business? You wont say, because your a complete phony, and you know I can and will check it out. My guess is you got to hold a hose for a couple years, if you were ever around a SS rig in the first place. What you are is another FOS idiot, running his suck from behind an anonymous AOL account. You came onto this NG spewing an unbelievably stupid string of pure wrongness, and I am now going to use your words to illustrate *exactly* what a complete phony you are, and why no one should listen to a friggin word you have to post, even if you could learn how to spell. You exemplify *everything* that is wrong with SCUBA training today. Your attitude, your knowledge, your choice of words. What dive shop do you do training out of? You posted, and I quote: "I would say use an Ocean Reef style FFM for cold/contaminated water without the coms and if you are doing work that really requires the coms stick with the Kirby Morgan and surface supply with the hardwire communications." It doesn't say "yucky" water. It says "contaminated". I called you on it. Here is the deal, hotshot. You want to put yourself up as an expert here, you need to pay attention to what you post. Here are a few more pearls: "The DIR or else your a stroke thing really bothers me, because quite frankly I probably have more experience than a random six of them combined and have sucessfully dove under a hell of a lot more extreme and adverse conditions than nearly all of them." Wow. So, you have been to the end of the line in Wakulla? You were on the team that dove the Britannic? "Personally, I think most competent divers should stick to solo diving. Your life and safety is in your own hands and not those of an unknown buddy." Oops. I guess not. With this mindset, you wouldn't get out of your car in the parking lot. "As far as your wisdom though, maybe you should hold off posting recocmendations to me untill you have say 1/4 of the experience that I do???" <choke, hack, cough> Your head's *just* a little big, dont you think? or do you really beleive that you have more dives and experience under your belt than anyone else here? "Over 10 years, several thousand dives in both recreational, tech, and commercial gear with a maximum depth of 515', and several instructors ratings does not a newbie constitute." No, what constitutes a newbie is the *fact*, born by your own words, that you think you have nothing to learn, when in reality, you have no knowledge to share. You advice is garbage, your gear is shit, and your command of the English language makes you look like you suffer from Downs Syndrome. Everything you post is suspect. And these *gems*: " I assume thsi si sarcasm right? Why on earth would a right thinking individual give up their operating primary so that they can breath from an octopus that MIGHT work? You KNOW that once you give up that primary you are NOT getting it back... No matter how well you maintain your equiptment you dont know for certain taht octopus will work until you breath it. (What if during this dive you got some kind of mud or crap in it somehow?)" "If giving up the known good reg while then using the 7' octo wrapped like a noose around your neck is DIR then I know why I never had any interets in joining the cult." >what is a buddy system ? "A way that two people can get killed instead of one." "I certainly will salute the flag. I am not un-American, In fact I am an honarably discharged naval officer. I just found the post odd in a scuba group." "Uh, perhaps because it DOES take alot of money to be a tech diver. By the time you add up the cost of a drysuit, at least one set of steel doubles, stage tanks, a minimum of two to five very high quality regs, computer, bottom timer, backplate/wings lights, reels, gas analyzer etc etc etc you are into a huge amount of money." "By the way, I dont care what gear Im using, I am comfortable with it so I dont ahve to "think about the differences" at 150'. Furthermore, 150' is not exactly the extreme end of tech unless it is in an overhead environment so it is really not a big deal... To me "real tech" doesnt start unless you are below 200' and on a mixed gas." "I prefer they have two sets of gear matched to the jobs at hand. I dont own a shop and dont get a nickle in commission, so it is no skin off my ass either way." "Phil - one other consideration that deserves mention. The regular BC is not good for true tech and not ahving one available will require the aspiring techie to make a substantial investment... This can be good because it will keep the newbie from moving to tech too quickly. I prefer them to "outgrow" their gear and to then gear up for tech once they are sure they want it and have the appropriate skills, rather than to be able to just buy a navy deco table and say "OK Im a techie now! Ive got 15 dives so as soon as I get a fill its time to visit the Edmund Fitzgerald!" "The reason I dont consider a backplate harness "recreational" is that it is out of the norm. Lets face it, most OW divers have never even seen one up close, so so much for help gearing up on the boat etc. (I prefer to don my own gear without assistance but you know how some DM's insist on "earning their tips"...Furthermore, once I ahve my gear set up I tend not to mess with it. As a result my OMS rig has the Argon infaltion system, the doubles, the canister light, the emergency deployment system, the extra mask pocket, the flares, the weight pockets, the liftbag etc all in place and ready to go at all times. All I do to get ready is stick a fill whip on the manifold, and attach regs..." "I find it better to match the rig to the dive and as a result just take the most appropriate unit. I feel that removing all the gizmos and switching over to the single tank adapter etc is not worth the price of a second BC in the long run. The zeaGLE is the closest you can come to a backplate wings unit without incurring all the additional complexity and baffling the hell out of all the other divers and the DM's who have perhaps 50 dives." "Your DIR mindset teaches to have ONE set of gear in one constant configuration and to stick with it, because you are assumed to be too simple mnded to adapt to changes. Wrong! Heres a clue, most recreational diving is pretty damn simple and it doesnt require alot of preplanning and gear configuration" "I myself use the Zeagle Ranger BC and the Oceanic Delta Subzero Reg, and I love both. I would definitely reccomend going with a cold water reg in case you ever decide to get into coldwater diving, and I would also reccomend you get a computer - preferably a nitrox computer in case you get into enriched air." "I am an instructor who owns, and has dove, everything from old horse collar BC's up through Superlite 17 surface supplied rigs and I can say emphatically that taking a backplate/harness on recreational dives is like going deer hunting with a jetfighter!" "I certainly see the advantages of back inflation, which is why i like the zeagle but I like to match the gear to the job, so for pool and real easy ow checkouts I use the Mares Vector, for MY normal diving I use the Zeagle, and for tech its the OMS Backplate/harness with the 100 lb wings. By the way I ahve tried the backplate with a single al 80 and it was miserable! A single 80 is what will usually be handed to you when travelling." "Rich, Your point is noted. I may have GUE a bit confused with the self rightous "It is my way and everyone else including the commercial industry, the Navy, and everyone else who has ever submerged is a moron" crowd. Many of the GUE, WKKP cave/tech crowd seem a bit high handed and to be perfectly frank deco diving is NOT really a big deal with proper training a cool head, and a good set of tables. For instance the "Long Hose" thing...Every dive I have ever been on below 300 (and most of those above) has been SOLO!" "I apologize if I offended teh good GUE folks, it si the self righteous chest thumpers I cant stomach... Oh and by teh way, as a point of interest commercial folk use both scuba and rebreathers as well as surface supplied..." "God forbid one of my students were to see in a class the way I and my regular dive buddies REALLY dive as opposed tot he dog and pony show performed for the agency. People who havent had the professional training havent learned the show yet, so they arent welcome in my classes lest they teach the students "Life In The Real World" before they get their cards." "Well this jammer guy, who is on a newsgroup says that the mighty dive gods of GUE do it so PADI, SSI, and NAUI curriculums and RTSC standards be damned I figured I have to add it to the basic openwater curriculum. After all GUE and Jammer say so so thats like an edict from Christ himself..." "Listen to instructors and not loudmouthed blowhards who think GUE is the answer to everything. By the way Jammer, in my opinion GUE is a bunch of loadmouth know it all selfstrokers and they show me nothing! I took my "tech" training in teh commercial world, and wouldnt carry a GUE card if you handed me one. What these guys consider a "big deal" is a days work off shore!" "GUE is tech, were talking recreational here. By the way, the divecon is outdated, Im now an AOWSI what are you besides designated ass wiper for the "DIR" crowd???" "Unless you are either an EXTREMELY experienced diver or a professional (Navy, Commercial, DiveMaster, or Instructor) you probably will not eb able to handle the required rescue, will ahve your regulator ripped away and both of you will drown. Dont try to play instructor without being properly trained. If you want a rescue course, take none.... Dont try to teach thyself..." "Im an instructor and I regularly dive with soft contacts in place. During class exercises requiring mask removal, I close my eyes. (Its not liek I do teh skill in front of a mirror anyway) and I instruct my students who are wearing lenses to do the same. " And to top it all off, this beauty: "By the way, this screen name is now outdated, I am no longer a divecon but am now an SSI AOWSI." What you are is the complete encapsulation of the words stroke, liar, blowhard and egomaniac. You constantly contradict yourself, and to call you a hypocrite would be like saying Hitler wasn't very nice. Now, post your name and the name of the commercial outfits you dove for. I am calling you a liar and a coward. Prove me wrong. Scott -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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