John, you are way off base here. Let's look at the facts; your TDI boy
arranged a conference. JJ was asked to speak. The conference promised to pay
all of his expenses.

JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements, and adjusted his schedule
accordingly. He is a man of his word, and thought he was dealing with like.

HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit. This is not politics,  this is bad
business and an example of what I have been saying about these people all
along, and once again, we are proven correct.

Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar, and you are no better for defending
behavior like this. There is no excuse for being lying scumbag, John, but if
you want to try to tell me a good one, go ahead and put it on here for all
to see and judge.

You guys are not fooling anyone .

-----Original Message-----
From: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut
Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>
Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000


>Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed. All you are doing here is fucking
up
>something you know nothing about. Stick to diving your way and leave the
>politics alone until you know what you are talking about.
>
>Johnny Mack
>Down Under.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
>To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Cc: <cavers@ca*.co*>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM
>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>
>
>> At 08:26  2/07/00 , Trey wrote:
>> >Jarrod, is it true the  organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head of
TDI?
>Is
>> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on the
>boat
>> >when Rob Palmer died?
>> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last year, and
>> >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of
strokes
>> >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience?
>> >
>> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted the
real
>> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to get any
>> >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum.
>>
>> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list
>> and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia
>> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually.
>> One public, and one private one.
>>
>> In his public response, the local TDI head wrote:
>>
>>  > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and
>>  > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is
>>  > none of your business."
>>
>> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and
>> it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't
>> welcome.
>>
>> So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put
>> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show,
>> under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss
>> them off completely.
>>
>> But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke-
>> screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused.
>> I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the
>> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very
>> excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that
>> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession
>> by email.
>>
>> There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that
>> when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate
>> glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they
>> lied instead.
>>
>> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly
>> charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to
>> bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the
>> real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training,
>> equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco
>> advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and,
>> (as the t-shirt says):
>>
>>        no deep air no personal preference
>>       no stuffed hose no bondage wings no
>>       air bail-out no steel slings no dual
>>       bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix
>>         no tom no brett no bazza no rt
>>               N O  S T R O K E S !!!
>>
>> Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all
>> the underhand stuff.
>>
>> rgrds        billyw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*>
>> > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
>> > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co*
><quest@gu*.co*>
>> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM
>> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> >This one is classic.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I committed to
>the
>> > >date.
>> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not something I
>take
>> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept the spot
>open
>> > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my girlfriend a
>trip
>> >to
>> > >>> >Australia.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company sponsor
>the
>> > >event
>> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter.
>> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that says we
>have
>> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can
properly
>> > >support
>> > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough to let
>you
>> > >have
>> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for you.
Rather
>> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers other
>than
>> > >>>myslef.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then
>volunteered
>> > >to
>> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their response. No
>> > >>>thanks<G>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth but I am
>sure
>> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and now I
have
>a
>> > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people
>seemingly
>> > >afraid
>> > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet people
>> > >interested
>> > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry girlfriend. We
>plan
>> >to
>> > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR
>demonstrations.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >Politics at its best.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >Best,
>> > >>> >JJ
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100,
>Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
>> > >wrote:
>> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer coming
>to
>> > >OzTek
>> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from them both
>and
>> > >now
>> > >>> >>nothing...
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
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>> > >>CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com
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