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Jim, rec,tech or smeck, if you are completely out of gas you GO UP. Up is where you can breathe, and when you are out of gas you will want to be there as fast as possible. cmon this cant be so hard to understand. If you need to you can either get more gas< and a watchful eye> and go back down or you get on the boat and wait for redemption or the USCG Dalphine/helo. NOw the issue of weighting vs overweighting is a seperate one, if you are doing it right or correctly or compton style or whatever the hell its called this week, you are not overweighted, you are balanced. I understand balanced as weighted so that at the end of the dive you have enuff the weight to compensate for the lost gas, but not so much that you require extra floation to hold a stop, or just be neutral. If you are at or near neutral at the surface, then at depth losing the belt is no great problem. If you are paying attention to the belt, its a non issue. if you can not dive a weiht belt, you dont need to be using doubles or bolting weight to yourelf, you need to lean how to use that belt, preferrably in shallow water. I see this as the fundametal difference between us, i prefer skills to equipment for problem solving. You are free to hold a diffenet opinion, butyou have not convinced me to change mine yet. If you need to you shold be able to get rid of this weight; again please explain to me what one is supposed to do if they cannot and they are out of gas or do not have the necessary redundancy. Cannister lights are great, but again if we are discussing the open water diver we are most likely not discussing a cannister lite, and you were giving advice to people who were going to mount p weights to backplates in addition to hard mounting their lights to their plates on single tanks; not very smart on their part imho. And arent the people who embolize from just going up the ones with pfo's? the ones who shouldnt be diving to begin with?besides we are not talking about this as a standard practice but rather as an emergency procedure. If you this more than twice when its not practice, you need more instruction or more practice. btw the w/e diving wasnt bad, scootered the San Diego on sat, lizzie D and mistletoe on sun, 2 ft seas both days.Not exactly the bmf, but it will do for now. rgds, Al Marvelli Jim Cobb wrote: > Al, I can't imagine any scenario either rec or tech were dropping a weight > belt and rocketing to the surface does a diver any good. If you get yourself > neutral where you can do a controlled swimming ascent to the surface you are > better off. You don't need to be in deco to die of an embolism. Many people > dive way over-weighted because it is so easy to add a bunch of weight to a > weight belt. > > Not using a weight belt forces a diver to get his buoyancy right for a > particular type of diving. In my case I always take my canister light, this > suffices for me. In a tech scenario you need the extra weight with AL > doubles and a wetsuit due to their buoyancy characteristics. Even in this > situation you use just enough weight to be neutral, not a ton so you rocket > to the surface at the slightest difficulty. > > Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*> > > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:41:39 -0400 > > To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> > > Subject: Re: Making sure this dead horse is thoroughly beaten (wasRe: > > Computers WAS Re: Oxygen Toxicity - using 100% in open water) > > > > the weightbelt thing was about a single tank diver doing no deco dives. Why > > would > > you advocate non ditchable weight for that diver? nevermind that George > > himself > > advocates a weightbelt for single tankers and for aluminum doubles diving, > > even al > > doubles w.stages. > > > > Public or private just tell me why a single tank diver in open water is better > > off > > with weight he cant ditch and that no body else can ditch for him. Explain why > > you > > rig is better off always being inherently negative rather than balanced. I > > cant > > explain it, and I am not about to accept "its feels better" as a > > justification. > > > > Al Marvelli > > > > > > > > > > Cobb wrote: > > > >> Without a doubt learning the hard way is the way to go. Surviving a > >> near-death experience due to a worthless piece of crap gear and then tossing > >> said gear into the garbage can, or selling it for 10 cents on the dollar is > >> an excellent way to learn stuff. It really makes an impression. > >> > >> Don't listen to any DIR people, just remember what they said if, er, when > >> you survive your clusterfuck so you know what to get when, er, if, you get > >> back from your blown trip. > >> > >> So purchase this equipment immediately and go "learn". > >> > >> 1. OMS Stuporwings > >> 2. Poseidon showerheads > >> 3. Weightbelts, and lots of them > >> 4. Steel stages > >> 5. The latest trimix computer > >> 6. A Buddy Inspiration rebreather > >> 7. Any old hose routing, the more complex the better > >> > >> Good Luck! > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > >> > >>> From: Thomas McDonald <tmcdonal@sw*.ne*> > >>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:36:32 -0500 > >>> To: ScottBonis@ao*.co* > >>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >>> Subject: Making sure this dead horse is thoroughly beaten (wasRe: Computers > >>> WAS Re: Oxygen Toxicity - using 100% in open water) > >>> > >>> Finally, I agree with you that people shouldn't blindly accept as good or > >>> bad > >>> because an individual says so, as that's where true learning and > >>> understanding > >>> come in. > >> > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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