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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:02:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Weights
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
To: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>, Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
CC: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Weight belt for wetsuits. Weight belt fucks up the airflow in your drysuit
and is a failure point. I hate weight belts.

   Jim
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> From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:24:40 -0400
> To: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: Weights
> 
> I dont mean to flame Paul personally but I have to ask some simple questions
> here.
> 
> Why is the weight belt not ideal? its cheap, easy to learn, and found
> everywhere.
> 
> The belt gives you a built in failure indicator< if you are paying
attnetion
> you can feel it slip, and thats easy to correct on your own> and if its
> under you crotch stap has a built in anti ditch safety.
> 
> and also
> 
> what is the facination with non ditchable weight?
> 
> especially on a rig that is limited to no stop diving by definition??
> 
> I can understand its significance on a deco dive, but you all do realize
> that if your worst fears come true and you undergo a buoyant ascent , you
> are merely performing skills practice?? That evey agency has blow and go as
> its last resort for ndl diving?
> 
> have any of you removed your weights during a dive? what was the result? I
> had my belt off three times in front of the class i was helping with tonite,
> no problem with an al 80 with an al plate and a 1/4 suit  in 12 ft of water,
> i had plenty of time to dump the bc and remain with my weight belt with just
> a little effort. Are we all just not paying attention?
> 
> worried about buckle failure? wear two.
> 
> We are not even going to get into the pony bottle, but fyi my understanding
> of hogarthian means ultra minimal as in no reserve gas, even in overhead.
> and of course the bottle is unnecessary for anything, you can either blow
> and go or you cant and if you cant you need a real redundant system, not 13
> freaking cu ft. This w/e i was forced to dive off the bow b/c the customers
> used up all the rack space with their pony bottles filled with nitrox too
> hot for the bottom< typical, they have all been hosed and regard dir as
> internet bs>and then i had to endure the shop owners bitching about my
> doubles being too much gear for the dives< which they were, but i needed
> them empty and gas costs money so i aint freaking wasting it>so i am ready
> for all comers on this pony bullshit.
> 
> You dont need a pony bottle unless you are solo diving without a plan.
> 
> Think it through people.
> 
> Al Marvelli
> 
> PS if those two quarry guys dont send me snail addresses ill never be able
> to mail them schedules and since i lost my inbox i dont havetheir e
> addresses, so get back to me fellas.
> 
> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> 
>> OK, I went through tons of archives last night, trying to get to the
>> bottom of this.  First, let me tell you my setup.  I'm diving a
>> backplate and wings, with a drysuit, and (for now) a single tank and
>> a pony bottle.  Leaving enough air in my suit so I can still move and
>> do a safety stop at the end of a dive, I need 17 pounds on my belt (I
>> dive in cold water).
>> 
>> Right now this weight is on my weight belt, which is ok but not ideal.
>> 
>> Perusing the archives, it seems the consensus is to make a V weight
>> for at least some of this.  Let's say it will weigh about 9 Pounds.
>> This still leaves 8 pounds.  I could then either leave that on my
>> weight belt, or I could put it in the Halcyon weight pouches.  I
>> assume that when I go to doubles I won't need most of it anymore?
>> Also, DiveRite sells a "trim weight" that will fit between the bolts
>> on the backplate.  I was thinking of this as an option.
>> 
>> Also, I read a lot of posts saying the canister light is 6 pounds
>> negative (or thereabouts).  Mine is 1.5 pounds negative, which means
>> I have to account for that weight somewhere.
>> 
>> One post I read which made a lot of sense, said that you should have
>> about 5 or 6 pounds of ditchable weight (if any).  When you ditch
>> your weight you don't want to become so positive as to end up in
>> lunar orbit.
>> 
>> I would like to get as close to hogarthian as possible before moving
>> to doubles, so any help is appreciated.  I'm even moving my canister
>> back on my harness (I had it upside down and attached to the
>> backplate, but I find that it has a tendency to sit on the wiring
>> connection...not good).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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