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------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > From: "Paul Wright" <paul@ca*.co*.uk*> > Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:32:40 +0100 > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Subject: Re: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton > > Are we discussing this or resorting to insults as usual on this list? I get the feeling I am talking to a wall, and if you consider me calling you a stack of bricks an insult, well I call 'em as I see 'em. > What I am saying is that DIR is sound as far as it goes, but, the concept > has to be varied for environments, what suits a cave in Florida is not ideal > for kitting up in a five foot swell in the English channel. Even more so > trying to de-kit in a five foot swell and get back onto a rib. I have tried > a single piece harness and in the tidal conditions here I found it > unsuitable, there are divers in the UK who follow the single piece harness, > I'm sorry but I have a permanent shoulder injury and I cannot get out > of/into a single piece harness on a pitching deck so I use a Custom Divers > harness with adjustable straps, if this offends you then we have to ban all > divers with injuries or physical problems from entering the water. With my You dumb liberal... Yes if you are sick and disabled you should not tech dive. Duuuuuuh! What a brick. If your shoulder is good enough for technical diving then it is good enough to get out of a PROPERLY CONFIGURED harness. The most common mistake people make with the DIR continuous webbing system is to make the shoulder straps too tight so it feels tight on the surface. It should feel loose on the surface, it's waist and crotch strap which take up the slack. > current configuration which varies little from the DIR philosophy I can kit > and de-kit as fast so anyone else, with a DIR sacred rig I would be a > liability to other divers during a surface incident. This is not an attack > on DIR, it is a suggestion that the idea is good, but variation/addition to > suit the environment/diver is the reality of doing the right thing for the > environment. How many times do I have to say this. If your rig is not rigged as stated by DIR principles then it is not DIR. Why don't you just admit this and then go do your diving? Nobody cares how you bastardize your rig, really Paul absolutely nobody gives a flying frihole. Just quit calling your crappy setup "modified DIR", that's BS. Let's talk about this one issue. With DIR the premise is that you don't use a weight belt. Your 104's and backplate are your primary means of negative weight, not to mention your primary air supply. Now, what reasons can you come up with to risk your back air and weight over a .59 cent piece of breakable plastic? Gosh darn, I can't seem to come up with a single reason. A quick release is a horrible failure point and therefor not DIR. To wit, you are not diving DIR. And when I have to say when I and the rest of the VBtech crew went to florida that George dove the exact same rig he cave dives in to dive the wrecks. The wrecks were in strong currents which required drift deco. Sound familiar? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> > To: Paul Wright <paul@ca*.co*.uk*>; Tech Diver > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton > > >> Sorry Paul, but DIR is a *system*. It is the sum of it's parts, you are >> either diving DIR or you are not. Why do you think that Hamilton promotes >> it? I suspect it's due to the high survival rates of divers who "do it >> right!" vs. those who "sort of do it right" or "do it right my way". >> >> This is one thing you boneheads out there keep missing. If you are not > using >> the system en-toto, the it's not the system. Why do you people have such a >> problem with that? If you take a airplane and remove the wings, it's not > an >> airplane anymore, is it? Call it whatever the hell you want but its not a >> fucking airplane. You dopes are arguing "you people who insist on wings >> being on an airplane are a bunch of lock-stepping zealots." Do you all >> understand how stupid you sound? >> >> Paul, you takes bits and pieces and create your own bastardized version of >> DIR but don't go calling it DIR. Call "Pauls personal rig" or "Pauls way > to >> fuck up a good thing". In truth, I don't give a crap how you rig your gear >> or how anybody else rig's their gear. It makes no difference to me or >> anybody else who strives for DIR. >> >> Sabe? Capish? Anybody home? >> >> Jim >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >> >>> From: "Paul Wright" <paul@ca*.co*.uk*> >>> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:53:41 +0100 >>> To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, "Tech Diver" > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>> Subject: Re: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton >>> >>> Sorry, Jim, he said something like DIR, not blind obedience to DIR, only > a >>> technical pint but it is different from your view. DIR is a sound >>> philosophy, as long as it evolves for environments. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >>> To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 7:41 PM >>> Subject: Black is smarter than Bill Hamilton >>> >>> >>>> Well, perusing the latest copy of DAN's Alert Diver magazine there is > an >>>> article, an interview, of Dr. Bill Hamilton, the worlds authority on >>>> technical and industrial deco/saturation diving, not to mention the > NASA >>>> space program. And I quote: >>>> >>>> Hillary Viders: I get the feeling that even if you had all the > requisites >>>> for extreme diving that you would still be a conservative diver. >>>> >>>> Bill Hamilton: Let's just say that I would be a very careful diver. I >>>> believe that all divers, no matter what their levels of experience, > should >>>> be extremely careful and should follows something like the D.I.R. (Do > It >>>> Right!) philosophy. If you're serious about diving, you have to invest >>> time >>>> and money, and you must have excellent equipment, training, discipline > and >>>> fitness. >>>> >>>> So forget what Bill Hamilton has to say, Black is smarter than him and > DIR >>>> is irrelevant, after all Hamilton is obviously a DIR clone robot. >>>> >>>> Uh, excuse me for a minute... AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, > OOOOOHOHOHAHAHEHEHEH! >>>> >>>> sniff, sniff, heheheh, Black you are such an asshole as are your > nameless, >>>> anonymous butt-buddies. Funny how none of them are jumping up to help > you >>> in >>>> your quixotic escapades here on Techdiver and rec.scuba. You are being >>> hung >>>> out to dry, you moron. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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