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From: "Ingemar Lundgren" <ingemar.lundgren@mb*.sw*.se*>
To: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>,
     "Aquanaut Mail"
Cc: <trey@ne*.co*>
Subject: SV: DIR Jackpot!
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:31:20 +0200
The retard is back! (the word is he's a fat slob to)

Thanks for giving me some weekend entertainment. The weather sucks so i had
to cancel diving.

Now, i will only comment on parts of your post as I'm sure a bunch of people
will have fun with the rest.

Based on your bio you are nothing but a deep air sport diver that have done
a few cavern dives in Mexico in the 80`s and some bullshit beginning level
courses with  TDI. That's not very impressive Michael.  You even brag about
your deep air dives. Once again you prove yourself.

And then you go on with this;

"Mr.Irvine is recognized worldwide first as a man who verbally attacks
anyone who disagrees with his ideas"

"His internet postings are indicative of a paranoid sociopathic personality
disorder, and typically such an individual has little or no conscience, and
is not capable of caringor helping".

You are dead wrong on this one pal.  We had the pleasure to invite Mr.Irvine
to our Stockholm diving conference, and let me tell you dip shit, that
people came from all around Europe to hear George speak.  He got standing
ovations after every speech and his popularity was phenomenal. He is a very
well liked person in Europe i can assure you and we are all very
appreciative of his work.  He has done more than anyone i can think of for
diving safety.  Furthermore he did the speech free of charge which indicates
to anyone but a retard that he did it to try to promote awareness for safe
diving practises. He has no financial gain in promoting DIR, he does it
because he believes it can save lives. What have you done for the diving
community?

Michael, i don't normally flame people on this list but with you i just had
to do it.  The thing that got me started was when you flamed a guy that
invited you (with nice words) for a weekend of diving. As a way of saying
thanks you flamed the guy publicly. This guy may or may not be a stroke, i
don't know, but the fact is that you are a worthless asshole worthy of no
respect. You accuse members of this list to make personal attacks, yet you
have done some of the meanest attacks i have seen on this list for years.

As for your myths and realities i don't even bother to comment. The reason
is that they have no substance what so ever.  You just claim that this and
that is wrong but you don´t explain why it´s wrong and you don´t present a
better alternative. That wont cut it Michael and you are sure as hell not a
dive god that can dictate to us what is wrong or right.  BTW how does it
feel to be a complete nobody on this list from being a Mr.10000 dive MD know
it all on rec.scuba??

I think that it is clear to everyone by now that you are completely
incompetent and have no skill or experience in diving what so ever. You are
just a loud mouthed Ted Bundy type of character who apparently have some
kind of personal problem with George.


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Från: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*]
Skickat: den 26 maj 2000 06:13
Till: Aquanaut Mail
Ämne: DIR Jackpot!


Wow!!!  Bagged an elephant this time!  I'd better think of something
good to respond to all the DIR hotheads with their "panties in a such
a bunch" (thanks Trey, I learned that one from you).  First of all
I am not trimix-certified, and believe it or not, one reason is I have
an objection to TDI's requirement that Extended Range (on air) precede
Trimix.  There are very limited opportunities to get trimix-certification
in my area, but that is slowly changing.  I will not divulge how deep
I have been on air, as if I haven't been crucified enough already.  Ha!!
As I said in my introduction, my technical diving has been wreck, ice,
advanced nitrox (TDI), decompression procedures (TDI), some cave (dived
Akumal in early 80's, but wasn't cave-certified), and let's just say
some "deep" air.  Diving medicine has been a second hobby, and I have
been fortunate to have learned from some experts, whose names have
already been bashed on this list, so keep guessing.

Now listen up DIR clones.  You are still the bad guys.  Techdiver's
reputation still sucks thanks to you loudmouthed jerks, and you damn
well know it.  As I've said before, kicking this hornet's nest is just
a scream, because there are so many holes in your system (with the
biggest hole being your militant attitude) that you deserve to be
bashed, eternal-damnation style.  And just so you don't hurt yourselves
laughing too hard after reading this post, chew on this (a new myth fer
ya):

DIR:  Myths & Realities (3rd update)

Myth 9:  George Irvine, DIR's founder, really cares about people and
wants to help others recognize the error in their ways.  Reality:  Mr.
Irvine is recognized worldwide first as a man who verbally attacks
anyone who disagrees with his ideas, and secondly as the man who
developed the DIR system of diving.  His internet postings are indicative
of a paranoid sociopathic personality disorder, and typically such an
individual has little or no conscience, and is not capable of caring
or helping.

To Review (once more):

Myth 8:  DIR and its proponents have saved many student divers from
certain danger and possible death, as taught by all other training
agencies.  Reality:  No agency is trying to kill you.  The agencies
that have been in the business longest have enviable safety records,
a testimonial to their quality of instruction, given the inherent
dangers involved in scuba.

Myth 7:  DIR is a system for everybody.  Reality:  Personal preference
is the system for everybody.  You have the right to choose DIR or the
right to choose another system, or to incorporate useful parts of any
system that suits your needs.  No single system will ever be the panacea
for everybody.

Myth 6:  DIR is a system based on experience and proven facts.  Reality:
Although many DIR divers have experience in technical diving, there are
many among them who extrapolate facts to the point of distortion,
confusion, and lack of truth.  The message soon becomes lost in all
the noise.

Myth 5:  DIR is a new movement in scuba that will grow and someday
surpass other systems.  Reality:  Tech diving will continue to grow,
but the training agencies that will attract the most students are the
ones with time-honored teaching skills, including respect, patience,
and avoidance of name-calling such as DIR's infamous "stroke."

Myth 4:  DIR is practised by the BEST divers in the world.  Reality:
The BEST divers in the world are too busy diving and conducting research
to be sitting around posting to techdiver, rec.scuba, the GUE list,
Rodale's, or any other newsgroup in cyberspace.  The BEST divers in the
world, with few exceptions, are conspicuously absent from these lists.

Myth 3:  DIR uses safe procedures, both in and out of the water.
Reality:  DIR uses procedures that do not comply with guidelines established
by NOAA and the U.S. Navy, including flying only three hours after a deep
deco dive, in-water recompression for decompression accidents, diving
well beyond recreational limits and simultaneously striving to shorten
decompression times, exercising shortly after diving, plus others which
are hardly safe.

Myth 2:  DIR is useful for cave diving, but can be applied to ALL forms
of diving.  Reality:  Very few people use DIR outside of cave diving,
because the system is inflexible and impractical.  In fact DIR teaches
using NO COMPUTER, only a bottom timer, hardly a practical recommendation
nowadays.

Myth 1:  DIR has had no fatalities or accidents.  Reality:  Bobby McGuirre,
a WKPP/DIR diver, died while diving DIR in a cave, and represents at least
one accident DIR cannot deny.

MJB :-)))

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