The retard is back! (the word is he's a fat slob to) Thanks for giving me some weekend entertainment. The weather sucks so i had to cancel diving. Now, i will only comment on parts of your post as I'm sure a bunch of people will have fun with the rest. Based on your bio you are nothing but a deep air sport diver that have done a few cavern dives in Mexico in the 80`s and some bullshit beginning level courses with TDI. That's not very impressive Michael. You even brag about your deep air dives. Once again you prove yourself. And then you go on with this; "Mr.Irvine is recognized worldwide first as a man who verbally attacks anyone who disagrees with his ideas" "His internet postings are indicative of a paranoid sociopathic personality disorder, and typically such an individual has little or no conscience, and is not capable of caringor helping". You are dead wrong on this one pal. We had the pleasure to invite Mr.Irvine to our Stockholm diving conference, and let me tell you dip shit, that people came from all around Europe to hear George speak. He got standing ovations after every speech and his popularity was phenomenal. He is a very well liked person in Europe i can assure you and we are all very appreciative of his work. He has done more than anyone i can think of for diving safety. Furthermore he did the speech free of charge which indicates to anyone but a retard that he did it to try to promote awareness for safe diving practises. He has no financial gain in promoting DIR, he does it because he believes it can save lives. What have you done for the diving community? Michael, i don't normally flame people on this list but with you i just had to do it. The thing that got me started was when you flamed a guy that invited you (with nice words) for a weekend of diving. As a way of saying thanks you flamed the guy publicly. This guy may or may not be a stroke, i don't know, but the fact is that you are a worthless asshole worthy of no respect. You accuse members of this list to make personal attacks, yet you have done some of the meanest attacks i have seen on this list for years. As for your myths and realities i don't even bother to comment. The reason is that they have no substance what so ever. You just claim that this and that is wrong but you don´t explain why it´s wrong and you don´t present a better alternative. That wont cut it Michael and you are sure as hell not a dive god that can dictate to us what is wrong or right. BTW how does it feel to be a complete nobody on this list from being a Mr.10000 dive MD know it all on rec.scuba?? I think that it is clear to everyone by now that you are completely incompetent and have no skill or experience in diving what so ever. You are just a loud mouthed Ted Bundy type of character who apparently have some kind of personal problem with George. -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*] Skickat: den 26 maj 2000 06:13 Till: Aquanaut Mail Ämne: DIR Jackpot! Wow!!! Bagged an elephant this time! I'd better think of something good to respond to all the DIR hotheads with their "panties in a such a bunch" (thanks Trey, I learned that one from you). First of all I am not trimix-certified, and believe it or not, one reason is I have an objection to TDI's requirement that Extended Range (on air) precede Trimix. There are very limited opportunities to get trimix-certification in my area, but that is slowly changing. I will not divulge how deep I have been on air, as if I haven't been crucified enough already. Ha!! As I said in my introduction, my technical diving has been wreck, ice, advanced nitrox (TDI), decompression procedures (TDI), some cave (dived Akumal in early 80's, but wasn't cave-certified), and let's just say some "deep" air. Diving medicine has been a second hobby, and I have been fortunate to have learned from some experts, whose names have already been bashed on this list, so keep guessing. Now listen up DIR clones. You are still the bad guys. Techdiver's reputation still sucks thanks to you loudmouthed jerks, and you damn well know it. As I've said before, kicking this hornet's nest is just a scream, because there are so many holes in your system (with the biggest hole being your militant attitude) that you deserve to be bashed, eternal-damnation style. And just so you don't hurt yourselves laughing too hard after reading this post, chew on this (a new myth fer ya): DIR: Myths & Realities (3rd update) Myth 9: George Irvine, DIR's founder, really cares about people and wants to help others recognize the error in their ways. Reality: Mr. Irvine is recognized worldwide first as a man who verbally attacks anyone who disagrees with his ideas, and secondly as the man who developed the DIR system of diving. His internet postings are indicative of a paranoid sociopathic personality disorder, and typically such an individual has little or no conscience, and is not capable of caring or helping. To Review (once more): Myth 8: DIR and its proponents have saved many student divers from certain danger and possible death, as taught by all other training agencies. Reality: No agency is trying to kill you. The agencies that have been in the business longest have enviable safety records, a testimonial to their quality of instruction, given the inherent dangers involved in scuba. Myth 7: DIR is a system for everybody. Reality: Personal preference is the system for everybody. You have the right to choose DIR or the right to choose another system, or to incorporate useful parts of any system that suits your needs. No single system will ever be the panacea for everybody. Myth 6: DIR is a system based on experience and proven facts. Reality: Although many DIR divers have experience in technical diving, there are many among them who extrapolate facts to the point of distortion, confusion, and lack of truth. The message soon becomes lost in all the noise. Myth 5: DIR is a new movement in scuba that will grow and someday surpass other systems. Reality: Tech diving will continue to grow, but the training agencies that will attract the most students are the ones with time-honored teaching skills, including respect, patience, and avoidance of name-calling such as DIR's infamous "stroke." Myth 4: DIR is practised by the BEST divers in the world. Reality: The BEST divers in the world are too busy diving and conducting research to be sitting around posting to techdiver, rec.scuba, the GUE list, Rodale's, or any other newsgroup in cyberspace. The BEST divers in the world, with few exceptions, are conspicuously absent from these lists. Myth 3: DIR uses safe procedures, both in and out of the water. Reality: DIR uses procedures that do not comply with guidelines established by NOAA and the U.S. Navy, including flying only three hours after a deep deco dive, in-water recompression for decompression accidents, diving well beyond recreational limits and simultaneously striving to shorten decompression times, exercising shortly after diving, plus others which are hardly safe. Myth 2: DIR is useful for cave diving, but can be applied to ALL forms of diving. Reality: Very few people use DIR outside of cave diving, because the system is inflexible and impractical. In fact DIR teaches using NO COMPUTER, only a bottom timer, hardly a practical recommendation nowadays. Myth 1: DIR has had no fatalities or accidents. Reality: Bobby McGuirre, a WKPP/DIR diver, died while diving DIR in a cave, and represents at least one accident DIR cannot deny. MJB :-))) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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