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I use one of the brass atomic first stages on my rebreather because the apeks doesn't have enough ports for the left post when you aren't using argon. It looks just like a mk20, and seems to work well, but I've only had one, and only for a short time. Just out of curiosity, doesn't the WKPP use mk20's for stages and safeties? Is this due to having to leave the in the water, having the swivel for breathing the reg or both or neither? Agreed on your points about breathing well. Every mk20/g250 I see freeflows when people are standing around the surface or gets near scooter wash. For some reason I don't have this problem :-) At 08:34 PM 5/8/2000 -0400, Trey wrote: >Ted, my thinking is that I do not want an expensive or unique regulator >on the one hand, and that unless every part of the reg is "titanium" >equivalent, it is a white elephant. > >What I have seen of this reg is that it comes from the designers of some >of the scuba pro regs, and many of those went through several evolutions >and are still going through all kinds of changes with no end in sight to >the most common problems on the one hand, and little or no understanding >or what we as tech divers really need on the other. > >I am heistant to get too interested in anything that is not long term >proven already. For instance, I use the Apeks second stages as my >primary and secondary, since I have many of these for up to 8 years with >zero service to them under the name Apeks, Zeigel, and Beuchat. That is >a proven winner. These are merely copies of the Scuba Pro G 250 with >all of the problems solved, but they do not "breathe" as well, but would >if you reintroduced the problems back into them, but then "breathe" is a >silly comparison at that level of regulator - it is excellent breathing. >I do not want anything that breathes any better, since it will breathe >by itself when I do not want it to. > >If the "titanium" first stage is like the MK 20 Scuba Pro, then the >piston arrangement is qood, but the adjustment by shimming is bullshit >of the worst order. If they are running a ridiculously high IP to >"breathe" better, than that is bullshit. If it has the swivel, well then >it is good for stages, but I do not want that on my back. If the DIN >tube is a thin as the Scuba Pro, it better be made out of Titanium. > >I'd like to see a MK 20 with no swivel and a thick DIN with an Apeks >second, but nobody cares what tech divers think - we are not the market, >so for the first stage backgas I go to what makse the most sense - the >Apeks US 4. It is similar to the old Poseiden Odin first , before the >hard headedness of the Swedes told them to blow it up with a bad seat, >as that piston-like seat of the Poseiden is somewhat duplicated in the >Apeks, only with a giant piston of soft material into a hard ring - >rather than the other way around like poseiden. This is more of a slow >blow seat, like the Posieden. The DIN is thick and close, and the port >arreangement is correct for back gas, lke the odl Poseiden. There is a >swivel version and a sealed version that could be used for stages, but >for that I go back to the Scuba Pro. > >I have about 50 regulators, so I need to have things that do not need to >be serviced, are easy to service if they do, that have part available, >and that are generic enough to be ubiquitous, with standard hose size >fittings and no proprietary bullshit . > >All I can tell you for absolutely sure, Ted, is that you do not want to >sink too much money into any piece of dive gear where you need several >of them, like regs. Trust my advice on regs, save money and then if you >find out that the titatium reg is something you really want, get it >later. Don't make the mistake youj made with tech bc's and tech >computers - keep your cash for more fun toys. You may have a lot of >money, but it is always more rewarding to allocate it effectively, and >the reason I have what I have, and I can buy anthing I want as a toy, >and freqeuently do in other areas , is that no amount of money can make >up for mssing a dive. > > > >Ted Phelps wrote: > > > > What is your opinion of Atomic Titanium regulators? I already own one, and > > while I don't mind (and am looking forward to) getting rid of the Zeagle > > Ranger, the Oceanic Computer, etc., I'd like to keep the reg unless > there is > > a good reason not to. > > > > Ted Phelps > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:25 AM > > To: James Dibbs > > Cc: 'Thomas Wernberg'; 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' > > Subject: Re: Mares ruby titanium reg > > > > James, good info - these morons in the dive industry need to be smoked > > out every time they make something this stupid. > > > > James Dibbs wrote: > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > It has a big clunky first stage. > > > It has a special rod in the first stage port that prevents you from using > > non- Mares hoses > > > It does not have a user removeable front cover on the second stage. > > > It costs a bomb. > > > It has a low flo (compared to Apex) diaphram first stage > > > > > > If you are sold on a Mares reg I would go for the MR12 IV. At least you > > can unscrew the cover of these and the first stage has standard ports > > > > > > Personally I would spend your money on a Scubapro or Apex reg. > > > > > > James Dibbs > > > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thomas Wernberg [mailto:twernberg@us*.ne*] > > > Sent: 8 May 2000 11:21 AM > > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > Subject: Mares ruby titanium reg > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > I've been looking at Mares regs lately and have come across the new Mares > > ruby > > > titanium 1st and 2nd stage. Does anyone have any comments/experiences > > on/with > > > this and other Mares Regs (eg. the abyss)? > > > > > > Cheers Thomas > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ---------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com ---------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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