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Trey, Thank for all of your "personal time" replying to messages. I needed to read this one a few years back. Ya, I'm sure you have said the same thing over and over again! I have a number of Atomic B1 regulators. All of my regulators have had the intermediate pressure creep up. I have also experienced issues with the "high performance?" Flexo-seal on the piston (I'm not sure of the spelling) blowing my coldwater kit up. I dive with another instructor who also had his Flexo-seal fart the lube out of his coldwater kit on the dive after mine farted. All of these failures had a small release of gas, just a few bubbles, either out of the second stage or in the case of the Flexo-seal out the first stage. Once all 6 were "fixed"; I did not experience any more issues in the last 150 dives..... But then again I'm not inside a cave. The Atomic Z1 does not use a swivel in the first stage. Jim Thompson 650-342-8691 -----Original Message----- From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:34 PM To: Ted Phelps Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut. Com Subject: Re: Atomic Regulators (Was Mares ruby titanium reg) Importance: Low Ted, my thinking is that I do not want an expensive or unique regulator on the one hand, and that unless every part of the reg is "titanium" equivalent, it is a white elephant. What I have seen of this reg is that it comes from the designers of some of the scuba pro regs, and many of those went through several evolutions and are still going through all kinds of changes with no end in sight to the most common problems on the one hand, and little or no understanding or what we as tech divers really need on the other. I am heistant to get too interested in anything that is not long term proven already. For instance, I use the Apeks second stages as my primary and secondary, since I have many of these for up to 8 years with zero service to them under the name Apeks, Zeigel, and Beuchat. That is a proven winner. These are merely copies of the Scuba Pro G 250 with all of the problems solved, but they do not "breathe" as well, but would if you reintroduced the problems back into them, but then "breathe" is a silly comparison at that level of regulator - it is excellent breathing. I do not want anything that breathes any better, since it will breathe by itself when I do not want it to. If the "titanium" first stage is like the MK 20 Scuba Pro, then the piston arrangement is qood, but the adjustment by shimming is bullshit of the worst order. If they are running a ridiculously high IP to "breathe" better, than that is bullshit. If it has the swivel, well then it is good for stages, but I do not want that on my back. If the DIN tube is a thin as the Scuba Pro, it better be made out of Titanium. I'd like to see a MK 20 with no swivel and a thick DIN with an Apeks second, but nobody cares what tech divers think - we are not the market, so for the first stage backgas I go to what makse the most sense - the Apeks US 4. It is similar to the old Poseiden Odin first , before the hard headedness of the Swedes told them to blow it up with a bad seat, as that piston-like seat of the Poseiden is somewhat duplicated in the Apeks, only with a giant piston of soft material into a hard ring - rather than the other way around like poseiden. This is more of a slow blow seat, like the Posieden. The DIN is thick and close, and the port arreangement is correct for back gas, lke the odl Poseiden. There is a swivel version and a sealed version that could be used for stages, but for that I go back to the Scuba Pro. I have about 50 regulators, so I need to have things that do not need to be serviced, are easy to service if they do, that have part available, and that are generic enough to be ubiquitous, with standard hose size fittings and no proprietary bullshit . All I can tell you for absolutely sure, Ted, is that you do not want to sink too much money into any piece of dive gear where you need several of them, like regs. Trust my advice on regs, save money and then if you find out that the titatium reg is something you really want, get it later. Don't make the mistake youj made with tech bc's and tech computers - keep your cash for more fun toys. You may have a lot of money, but it is always more rewarding to allocate it effectively, and the reason I have what I have, and I can buy anthing I want as a toy, and freqeuently do in other areas , is that no amount of money can make up for mssing a dive. Ted Phelps wrote: > > What is your opinion of Atomic Titanium regulators? I already own one, and > while I don't mind (and am looking forward to) getting rid of the Zeagle > Ranger, the Oceanic Computer, etc., I'd like to keep the reg unless there is > a good reason not to. > > Ted Phelps > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:25 AM > To: James Dibbs > Cc: 'Thomas Wernberg'; 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' > Subject: Re: Mares ruby titanium reg > > James, good info - these morons in the dive industry need to be smoked > out every time they make something this stupid. > > James Dibbs wrote: > > > > Thomas > > > > It has a big clunky first stage. > > It has a special rod in the first stage port that prevents you from using > non- Mares hoses > > It does not have a user removeable front cover on the second stage. > > It costs a bomb. > > It has a low flo (compared to Apex) diaphram first stage > > > > If you are sold on a Mares reg I would go for the MR12 IV. At least you > can unscrew the cover of these and the first stage has standard ports > > > > Personally I would spend your money on a Scubapro or Apex reg. > > > > James Dibbs > > Sydney, Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas Wernberg [mailto:twernberg@us*.ne*] > > Sent: 8 May 2000 11:21 AM > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: Mares ruby titanium reg > > > > Hi all > > > > I've been looking at Mares regs lately and have come across the new Mares > ruby > > titanium 1st and 2nd stage. Does anyone have any comments/experiences > on/with > > this and other Mares Regs (eg. the abyss)? > > > > Cheers Thomas > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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