Yeah, my wife says I have a real way with the women!

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: dmdalton <dmdalton@qu*.ne*>; <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>; Art Greenberg
<artg@ec*.ne*>
Cc: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>; Maggie <mmowens@pa*.co*>; Jim Cobb
<cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>; Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>; Techdiver
Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Dual OMS 45's


> Dave, you really know how to get on Maggie's good side, don't you?
>
>    Jim
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> > From: "dmdalton" <dmdalton@qu*.ne*>
> > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:03:23 -0400
> > To: <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>, "Art Greenberg" <artg@ec*.ne*>
> > Cc: "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>, "Maggie" <mmowens@pa*.co*>, "Jim
Cobb"
> > <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>, "Cam Banks" <cam@ca*.co*>,
"Techdiver
> > Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re: Dual OMS 45's
> >
> > Ok, Ok, Ok. In an effort to end this discussion lets try this:
> >
> > Maggie you first, say "I think they are sooooooo cute!" (It's ok, you're
a
> > girl, you can say that).
> >
> > Art, now it's your turn, you say "Look, it's my money and I'll spend it
any
> > way I want, if you don't like it why don't you go stuff your long hose!"
> >
> > BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
> >
> > Opps. Sorry about that, Art. I guess I should have made Jim unload his
full
> > auto snorkel before he came in!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
> > To: Art Greenberg <artg@ec*.ne*>
> > Cc: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>; Maggie <mmowens@pa*.co*>; Jim Cobb
> > <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>; Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>; Techdiver
> > Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 12:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: Dual OMS 45's
> >
> >
> >> Art,
> >>
> >> I hate to reply line by line, but its late, so here goes:
> >>
> >> Art Greenberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Al Marvelli wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am sorry, but what is the profile for these little tanks? whats the
> > gas
> >>>> management scheme? half plus 200 or are we pumping the snot out of
> > them???
> >>>> Is this an overhead dive?? is there deco to do? and if not, why do we
> > need
> >>>> all this redundancy??
> >>>
> >>> Al, it is not a matter of redundancy. It is simply that diving these
> >>> provides the same valve and regulator configuration as larger doubles.
> > It
> >>> provides the trim and balance of doubles, and does not require any
> >>> adjustment in weighting.
> >>
> >> Identical or simliar??  no adjustment in weighting, or no weight belts?
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Its nice to have all the tools for practice, but if we are talking
> >>>> 30,60 or even 90 ft of open water< no deco,no overhead>here, you dont
> >>>> *need* a doubles setup and you dont need a specific small double
setup
> >>>> just to practice. Better to train with your "go to war" gear.
> >>>
> >>> Agreed, for these dives one does not need doubles. But the point I
> > cannot
> >>> seem to get through my hard head is why not use them? Why not take
> >>> advantage of the system, practice setting up the gear, valve shutdowns
> > and
> >>> so forth with these? Why not reserve the "go to war" gear for dives
that
> >>> actually call for the gas volume?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Do you practice the mindset for going to war when you dive the little
> > tanks?? Is
> >> it possible to dive thirds with these unpumped? I would think less gas
> > makes it
> >> harder to do so.
> >>
> >> is the spacing the same for the valves, or just similar? do you get the
> > same
> >> strech?
> >>
> >> on the other side of gear similarity equation, im presuming you dont
carry
> > these
> >> on vacation?  how do you deal with the single tank then?
> >>
> >>
> >>>> What if the 24th mech had trained with golf carts instead of bradleys
> >>>> before desert storm?? Wed probably being paying $2.00 a gallon for
gas
> >>>> and kuwaiti women would still be oppressed.< opps bad example, but
you
> >>>> get my point, right>
> >>>
> >>> Al, this is a specious argument.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I used to know what specious meant. Oh well. Its not my best logic, but
i
> > was
> >> playing for laughs while making a point. <you do see the irony dont
you?>
> >>
> >>>> Now if your sump diving, and thats your "go to war"config, then using
> > them
> >>>> in the ocean might make more sense, but its far from necessary.
> >>>>
> >>>> I dont advocate blow and go as a standard dive practice, but you
> > should be
> >>>> able to do it, and you should be able to dive with a buddy in you
> > singles
> >>>> just as well as with your doubles, and be able to share gas
> > accordingly. so
> >>>> there is no reason for gear to replace a single 80.
> >>>
> >>> I do not understand why, given what I perceive to be the advantages as
> >>> stated above. How is my thinking flawed?
> >>>
> >>
> >> For the sumpdiver, its what he needs to be most comfortable with.
> >>
> >> The doubles shouldnt be a replacement for the skills above, just as a
pony
> >> shouldnt . But how many recreational divers can you say this of? I know
> > you dont
> >> personally mean to recommend the little doubles to recreational divers
who
> > cant
> >> handle them, but i still worry that is whats going to happen.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> I could haul an atv and the tools to build a log home with me when I
> >>>> go to the 7-11 down the block in my truck, or I could just walk. What
> >>>> makes more sense?
> >>>
> >>> I cannot see how using smaller doubles is in contradiction with this
> >>> metaphor. Where am I going wrong?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bad metaphor! Bad!
> >>
> >> Let me try again.
> >>
> >> I could drive Bigfoot to the 7-11, or I could drive my Ford ranger, but
> > why, if I
> >> can skateboard there??
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Al Marvelli
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> Art Greenberg
> >>> artg@ec*.ne*
> >>
> >>
> >>
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