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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:39:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Wiseley <wiseleyb@ya*.co*>
Subject: Re: Myths & Realities
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>, trey@ne*.co*
Cc: Tech list <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Jim, George,

It'd be much better if people just got a message when
they first signed up saying "Don't argue with George
for the first few months that you're on the list...
it's futile."   Most people get on the list and do the
usual... ask a stupid question.  They then get this
guy George (who they know nothing about) tearing them
a new asshole for a seemingly simple question and get
upset.  It takes a few weeks on the list to see that
George is really bright and not just some homicidal
maniac that enjoys typing at the speed of light.  It's
a pretty understandable mistake.  :) 

Techdiver isn't a "normal" list.  If you warned people
about this then there probably wouldn't be so much
humorous reading on the list...

-ben


--- Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*> wrote:
> George, the funny thing is that there have been
> several personal vendettas
> against you, and with quite a few of these folks
> appears that the light bulb
> suddenly came on and now they are Doing It Right. To
> me this speaks volumes
> about their intelligence.
> 
> But I'm afraid you are right, Black is going to be
> CBII. A man constantly
> doomed to pull the wrong lever, turn the wrong knob,
> buy the wrong car,
> choose the wrong boyfriend(s), coat-hang with the
> wrong crowd and overall
> make consistently wrong decisions. And then feel
> good about it and encourage
> others to join in. Which speaks volumes about their
> intelligence.
> 
>    Jim
> 
> 
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> > From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
> > Reply-To: trey@ne*.co*
> > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 06:29:52 -0500
> > To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> > Cc: Tech list <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re: Myths & Realities
> > 
> > Jim, Black is the new Chrissy Brown of the
> techdiver list - the biggest
> > hypocrite of them all. How can anyone get on here
> quoting Brett Gilliam,
> > and then criticize the dive team with the best
> track record for safety
> > ever assembled?
> > 
> > The answer? Personal vendetta - otherwise , nobody
> can be this stupid
> > and this misinformed, but it does serve as a great
> power of example of
> > what is wrong and it serves to highlight why we
> are right. You have to
> > appreciate the fact that there are not too many
> people willing to make
> > idiots out of themselves like this guy does. It is
> as if he were a fake
> > character made up by us to make our points.
> > 
> > Jim Cobb wrote:
> >> 
> >> This guy is such a dope. He needs to get out more
> and do some actual diving.
> >> I don't dive in caves and I will tell you that
> Dr. Bozo has a serious
> >> problem dealing with reality. There is
> recreational diving and there is
> >> technical diving. It's obvious what world Black
> is most comfortable with.
> >> 
> >> And it's fine that Black is living in his own
> little deluded world, but to
> >> spread this kind of BS is downright dangerous.
> >> 
> >> If I were to live in Janesville, Wisconsin, I
> would not let this guy
> >> anywhere near my eyes and sure enough not get on
> a boat with him.
> >> 
> >> .....I don't know who stuck that broomstick up
> your ass, Black, but you need
> >> to go back to your armchair and take up
> recreational knitting, needle point
> >> or some other sport more suited to your
> mentality.
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >>
>
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> >> 
> >>> From: "Scott" <scottk@hc*.co*>
> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:28:15 -0800
> >>> To: "Tech list" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Subject: Fw: Myths & Realities
> >>> 
> >>> List has been kinda dead, so I thought you might
> get a chuckle out of the
> >>> latest
> >>> pearl of wisdom from the good doctor.
> >>> 
> >>> Apparently, the doc is for real:
> >>> 
> >>> MICHAEL BLACK
> >>> Address: Riverview Clinic
> >>> 580 N Washington St
> >>> City, State ZipCode: Janesville, WI 53545
> >>> Phone Number: (608) 755-3500
> >>> Specialty: Ophthalmology
> >>> 
> >>> What a tool.
> >>> 
> >>> Scott
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <mjblackmd@my*.co*>
> >>> Newsgroups: rec.scuba
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 11:09 AM
> >>> Subject: DIR: Myths & Realities
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Myth 1:  DIR has had no fatalities or
> accidents.  Reality:  Bobby
> >>>> McGuirre, a WKPP/DIR diver, died while diving
> DIR in a cave, and
> >>>> represents at least one accident DIR cannot
> deny.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Myth 2:  DIR is useful for cave diving, but can
> be applied to ALL
> >>>> forms of diving.  Reality:  Very few people use
> DIR outside of cave
> >>>> diving, because the system is inflexible and
> impractical.  In fact
> >>>> DIR teaches using NO COMPUTER, only a bottom
> timer, hardly a practical
> >>>> recommendation nowadays.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Myth 3:  DIR uses safe procedures, both in and
> out of the water.
> >>>> Reality:  DIR uses procedures that do not
> comply with guidelines
> >>>> established by NOAA and the U.S. Navy,
> including flying only three
> >>>> hours after a deep deco dive, in-water
> recompression for decompression
> >>>> accidents, diving well beyond recreational
> limits and simultaneously
> >>>> striving to shorten decompression times,
> exercising heavily shortly
> >>>> after diving, plus others which are hardly
> safe.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Myth 4:  DIR is practiced by the BEST divers in
> the world.  Reality:
> >>>> The BEST divers in the world are too busy
> diving and conducting
> >>>> research to be sitting around posting to
> Techdiver, Rec.scuba, the
> >>>> GUE list, Rodale's, or any other newsgroup in
> cyberspace.  The BEST
> >>>> divers in the world, with few exceptions, are
> conspicuously absent
> >>>> from these lists.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Myth 5:  DIR is a new movement in Scuba that
> will grow and someday
> >>>> surpass other systems.  Reality:  Tech diving
> will continue to grow,
> >>>> but the training agencies that will attract the
> most students are
> >>>> the ones with time-honored teaching skills,
> including respect, patience,
> >>>> and avoidance of name-calling such as DIR's
> infamous "stoke."
> >>>> 
> >>>> Myth 6:  DIR is a system based on experience
> and proven facts.  Reality:
> >>>> Although many DIR divers have experience in
> technical diving, there
> >>>> are many among them who extrapolate facts to
> the point of distortion,
> >>>> confusion, and lack of truth.  The message soon
> becomes lost in all the
> >>>> noise.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Myth 7:  DIR is a system for everybody. 
> Reality:  Personal preference
> >>>> is the system for everybody.  You have the
> right to choose DIR or the
> >>>> right to choose another system, or to
> incorporate useful parts of any
> >>>> system that suits your needs.  No single system
> will ever be the panacea
> >>>> for everybody.
> >>>> 
> >>>> MJB
> >>> 
> >>> 
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