Jim and list,

Agree with you 100% Jim. My kids grew up with guns in the house and were
both shooting by age 5. Any time they wanted to see and/or hold a gun they
were allowed to and as a result they respect  firearms, handle them safely
and realize the role they have played in getting this country free and
keeping it free - and they vote accordingly.

To the gentleman from the U.K., if you will recall, it was the oppression of
England that caused the colonist to rise up in rebellion. And to all, the
reason we have a 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is not to protect
American's right to go duck hunting but to protect us from another
oppressive government. Of course Bill C. was a hunter and he believes in
hunter's rights, honest, he wouldn't lie, would he???? (I never had sex with
that woman......) Sorry Bill, wrong again!

But to get this back on diving, if you have enough whiskers on your chin to
remember the last time OSHA got involved with the dive industry. I was
actively teaching back then and it threatened to end diving instruction. The
only thing that saved it is that the dive industry is so unprofitable that
it can't afford to have instructors that are real employees of a shop.
Instead almost every shop out there has instructors that they pay X $ per
student per class and treats them as independent contractors. They aren't
really independent contractors in most cases, according to IRS rules, but it
hasn't been challenged yet by IRS so the dive shop can tell OSHA "I don't
have any employees teaching diving, all the instructors I use are self
employed independent contractors." OSHA only has jurisdiction over employees
(someone with whom the shop/employer has a  W-2 relationship) not over
independent contractors (someone with whom the shop/employer has a 1099-MISC
relationship).

This thread was covered in great detail about 18 months ago as the result of
a dive instruction operation petitioning OSHA for an exemption to the OSHA
rule prohibiting the breathing of anything other than air (which includes
nitrox other than EAN21) when teaching diving unless all kinds of conditions
were met. As I recall you had to have multiple tenders on site and a
recompression chamber to boot!

When you go into the voting booth, think about who want's to make the world
"safer" by restricting your freedoms, and what a great job they have already
done! And be sure you do go vote - unless of course you your opinions differ
from mine in which case it's OK if you don't.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
To: dmdalton <dmdalton@qu*.ne*>; Gatto, Richard RG SCC
<RG982309@MS*.SH*.CO*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Full Auto Snorkels


> Actually we should not laugh at this trigger lock thing. If this becomes
law
> it is only a matter of time until OSHA will require "regulator locks" to
be
> installed on scuba equipment to prevent untrained divers from using your
> equipment.
>
> You laugh at this? In Europe they already have a Nitrox special tank valve
> and regulator. I don't know what happens if they catch you with Nitrox
(or,
> God help us, trimix) in a non-nitrox cylinder but at the very least the
> lawyers will have a field-day with it.
>
> Beware the gradual chipping away of our freedoms, folks, this trigger lock
> law leaves your home open to the Feds and to lawyers. And if it proves
> profitable, er, successful you will see required locks springing up on all
> sorts of sporting equipment.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I keep my weapon in a rapid-access gun safe to keep it
> away from the kids, and believe that this should be the norm. But if it
> becomes a Federal Mandate, regulator locks here we come.
>
>    Jim
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> > From: "dmdalton" <dmdalton@qu*.ne*>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:22:10 -0500
> > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>, "Gatto, Richard RG SCC"
> > <RG982309@MS*.SH*.CO*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Full Auto Snorkels
> >
> > Quiet Jim, or you'll have the Clinton Administration wanting to cut a
deal
> > with Scuba Pro that would install a high-tech lock on that snorkel so
only
> > an authorized breather would be able to breathe out of that snorkel!
> >
> > Suggest you encourage your son in this play. Then when he comes of age
he
> > can join my son (currently at Recruit Training Command, Great Lakes
> > Illinois, SEAL Challenge Program) in the armed forces and be one of the
> > proud few who willingly serve our country in defense of the freedom we
all
> > enjoy but so few deserve!
> >
> > On the other had you could take it and give him a doll or something but
> > based on the amount of testosterone you regularly pump out on this list,
I'm
> > willing to bet he would just point his finger and switch it on full auto
> > (with his pinky finger pointing down to emulate a pre-Brady 30 round
clip)!
> > <g>
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> > To: Gatto, Richard RG SCC <RG982309@MS*.SH*.CO*>;
> > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Halcyon gear...
> >
> >
> >> My 3yr old kid found my old snorkel (never used and kind of moldy) and
is
> >> now using it as an assault weapon. He loads it with crayons and tips if
> >> forward and when the crayons slide out he goes BANG BANG BANG. A full
auto
> >> snorkel! A truly dangerous weapon. I'm tempted to play BATF with him,
kick
> >> his bedroom door in at midnight, shake him down and handcuff him for
being
> > a
> >> threat to society.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/
> >>
> >>> From: "Gatto, Richard RG SCC" <RG982309@MS*.SH*.CO*>
> >>> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:07:09 -0600
> >>> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >>> Subject: RE: Halcyon gear...
> >>>
> >>> Snorkel??? Oh yeah, I remember that thing. Never used it after my
> > original
> >>> cert class. Just a piece of unused plastic attached to my gear. Lost
it
> > on a
> >>> heavy current drift dive about six or so years ago. Never missed it.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Not to mention my snorkel fits nicely in the space between tank and
> >>>> backplate  :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Checkout...
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/shartley/projects/gear/snorkel.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Simon
> >>>>
> >>>> P.S.  More pics
> > http://www.scu.edu.au/staff_pages/shartley/projects/gear/
> >>>> (will update images to reflect change to hose routing, strobe
> > placement,
> >>>> etc (listed) as soon as my arm is out of plaster and I get access to
a
> >>>> digital camera again).
> >>>>
> >>>>
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