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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:53:04 +0100
To: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>
From: Hans Petter Roverud <proverud@on*.no*>
Subject: Re: Helium penetrates neoprene ???
Cc: Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
At 07:11 AM 3/17/00 -0800, Michael J. Black wrote:
>Hans Petter Roverud wrote:
> > As an aside there are current posts on the difference between heat
> > conductance and heat capacity.  In plain English, helium is a very
> > poor insulator (inflation gas) but it's not colder to breathe a gas
> > containing helium.  Any gas you inhale will be heated to body
> > temperature before you exhale it.
>
>Assuming you keep the inhaled gas in your lungs long enough to heat
>it to body temp before exhaling.  Which as you point out depends on
>the heat capacity of the gas and its conductance.  You will heat helium
>quickly, because of high conductance, but you will heat nitrogen more
>because of high capacity (but the nitrogen doesn't stay in long enough
>to heat it to full capacity).  I have heard this argument before, and
>don't buy it.  I submit that you lose heat from respired helium as
>quickly as, or faster than, air.  Now being the fine physiologist that
>you are Hans, please tell us why we don't lose heat more quickly from
>breathing helium mixes.  MJB

Because your first assumption holds -- inhaled gas will be heated to core 
temperature before it is exhaled. Whether it takes a split seconds or a few 
seconds does not change the total heat loss. However, it does change 
whether you feel the heat loss. Cold gas sapping heat from where you've got 
plenty of thermo-receptors will cause you to feel the chill. Peripheral 
regions, including your mouth, feel the heat loss while your lungs don't. 
This is well illustrated by sat divers going hypothermic with unheated gas 
and hot water suits. They may turn down the heat since "it's too hot" while 
their core temperature is plummeting. As long as the peripheral tissues are 
warm you feel warm, and vice versa, irrespective of core temperature. At 
one atmosphere respiratory heat loss is no big deal and we're not designed 
to monitor it properly. Instead, the body goes for monitoring skin 
temperature. That works fine on land.

regards,

Hans



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