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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:15:00 -0500
From: Al Marvelli <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
To: Bryon Bertrim <bryon@bi*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Looking for Dry gloves ideas
Byron,

I have been on the dry glove quest for sometime as well. heres what i have
tried and seen to date.:

Two types of neo gloves stiched to be airtight and wiht a latex skin in type
seal that was designed to sit over a neoprene wrist seal. They didnt work on
my tri lam suits, or against bare skin.Others say they didnt work against
neo either. One i dont know the brand and one was whites, i am still using
the whites as its a confortable glove, but it was always at least moist.

I had an old pair of orange dui dry 5 with the latex seal, i could never get
them to seal up, they always leaked around the seams, and got cut easily.
You can then patch/glue them back to shape, but they would always rip during
a dive.

This year at dema, i got some blue gloves from MarVel scuba supply in South
Jersey. The fellow there was the manufacuter of them; the brand is helios.
He told me that Helios had originally sold the orange glove to dui and that
it was never meant for underwater wear, but thats its a tenders glove for
contaminaded water surface supply ops. I bought two pair of the blue glove,
which is supposedly double dipped, whereas the orange is single dipped. Your
still not supposed to dig or lobster with either, but the blue will
supposedly allow you to grip a line w/o tearing the glove. I havent had a
chance to use them yet, Our next charter is April first.

One of the guys uses the viking system, he likes it because its cheap and
easy to fix yourself. He is often patching both the gloves and the suit. He
also needs to back up the wring seal with strips of duct tape. Eventually I
may see if one can somehow jury rig that to a tls 350, unless the blue
gloves pay off.


I have also seen the si tech cuff ring system, and it seemed interesting as
it seems to be the only cuff system that allows a wrist seal and a glove to
be worn. The big downside is it requires modification of the suit to install
it, and that seems like a big leap of faith. The gloves are still either the
blue or rubber like viking. I would not advise using a system like the
attached dui dry 5, or any other system that will ensure a suit flood  with
a glove failure. If you actually need dry gloves in the first place, a
system that allows a  suit flood from a mere glove failure will most likely
result in thermal injury or fatality. If you have a wrist seal behind your
glove, then a glove failure terminates your exposure, but not your life < ie
flood glove=dive over, proceed to surface for hot coco>

I might also suggest if your doing things like that Wiedner guy, or the
Sweedes,<550 fsw??? ice caves??? >  you might want to have extra wet gloves
along with you, to switch to.

I have also had the idea to bond a sheet of kevlar to the blue/orange
gloves, but i havent got around to even finding a kevlar supplier. Anybody
have a source??

regards,

Al Marvelli


Bryon Bertrim wrote:

> For years i have been using wet suit gloves with my dry suit. My hands
> are the first to get cold but wet suit gloves offer the best
> flexibility. I have tried several types of dry gloves including Viking
> etc. Most manufactures offer a big thick rubber glove on a ring..
>
> Any suggestions on something that is dive proven. What about dry
> neoprene on a latex wrist seal?
>
> I want something that will keep my hands warm with high flexibility.
>
> bryon
>
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